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Harry Potter plotholes/ goofs that really annoy you

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Aproductofmyera80s · 11/06/2024 19:21

I absolutely love Harry Potter, I watch it twice a year, would watch it more if I had the time. One plothole that gets me every time, so Fred and George had the marauders map all that time and didn’t notice that Ron’s rat was Peter pettigrew?
every time I watch it, it grinds my gears.
any one else notice anything?

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GwenogJones · 11/06/2024 21:28

LifeofBrienne · 11/06/2024 21:21

On ‘not all Slytherins bad’, when my kids watch the films, a thing that annoys me is all the Slytherins being shepherded away before the final battle. Because it seems so black and white, Slytherin = not to be trusted. I would really like them to have been given a choice and a handful to have chosen to stay and fight against the Death Eaters. It would be even better if it included named characters who weren’t particularly nice to Harry and his friends, but maybe turned out to be a bit brave and not evil.
I think it’s done the same way in the book but I read it a long time ago (though I remembered enough to be annoyed that they changed Neville’s hero scene in the film).

In the book, all students under 17 are made to leave via the passage to the Hogs Head and anyone over 17 who doesn't want to fight goes too. The Slytherins aren't locked up, they leave with everyone else. Slughorn leads the second wave of fighters into battle from Hogsmeade just as it looks like the first half of the army will be defeated.

fpurplea · 11/06/2024 21:30

Every time I re-read the books something else pops out to irritate me. This time round it was the fact that, despite believing that Sirius was a traitorous murderer, Lupin did not make anyone aware of the Hogsmeade passage under the one eyed witch. He wouldn't have had to reveal the full extent of the marauders full moon shenanigans, just that they had discovered a secret passage.

I now find OotP quite a tough read because of the terrible decisions made by all the characters. Keeping Harry in the dark about the prophecy was completely ridiculous, and then expecting him to actually try to learn occlumency from Snape without a real reason? The bloody mirror, why didn't Sirius remind him of it when they spoke in the fire? The fact that they lured Harry to the DoM because Voldemort couldn't risk being seen in the ministry, but he blinking well turned up anyway?! It's hardly likes security was any great shakes, given a load of fugitive Death Eaters were having a tea party down there.

OPKQ · 11/06/2024 21:32

Lily couldn’t disapparate with baby Harry - she would risk him splinching.
It happens to Ron in book seven when they are escaping the ministry. Disapparating is a skill that can lead to injury if done incorrectly.

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deathlyhallows21 · 11/06/2024 21:37

snape was half muggle but all the death eaters respected him? i understand though it's bc voldermort liked him which meant he was to be respected.

PianPianPiano · 11/06/2024 21:38

Sprogonthetyne · 11/06/2024 20:59

But what about Quirrell? Not only did he see him die, he killed him. At 11 he was definitely old enough to understand death, so should have been able to see thestrals from end of first year/start of second year.

It also bothers me that the weaslies are "poor" but have a 3/4 story detached house, compleat with land (both for food growing & spare for quidich), can afford to have 7 children and send them to boarding school, can afford numerous international holidays & but quidich cup tickets, not only for all their kid but for random school friends (one of home is rich, the other doesn't even like quidich).

The value of a gillion is also pretty inconsistent. In book 2, the weaslies have 1 gillion to kit out 5 children for school, by book 4 Mr Weaslie can afford to gamble 1 gallion & the twins have some how raised 30+

They don't buy the tickets, Arthur Wesley gets them through a work colleague.

Harry gives the twins his winnings from the triwizard tournament that's how they have 30+

IndecentPropolis · 11/06/2024 21:40

Wantedfghj · 11/06/2024 19:26

It annoys me too when they say ‘there wasn’t a wizard gone bad who wasn’t a Slytherin’. What about Sirius? That might’ve been a realistic thing people would say though rather than a plot hole.

Oh wait - I see what you mean.

PinkFrogss · 11/06/2024 21:43

deathlyhallows21 · 11/06/2024 21:37

snape was half muggle but all the death eaters respected him? i understand though it's bc voldermort liked him which meant he was to be respected.

Voldemort wasn’t pure blood either. I thought it was a deliberate parallel to Hitler and the Nazis i.E Hitler himself, and many prominent Nazis weren’t blonde hair and blue eyed.

WhatsTheEffingPoint · 11/06/2024 21:46

PianPianPiano · 11/06/2024 21:38

They don't buy the tickets, Arthur Wesley gets them through a work colleague.

Harry gives the twins his winnings from the triwizard tournament that's how they have 30+

The twins had been selling their magic jokes that's how they had money, they only get the triwizard winning at the end of GOF.

Mine is Veritaserum....why was it not used more often, could have been used on Sirius in POA, could have even used it on Harry etc.

QueenOfTheEntireFuckingUniverse · 11/06/2024 21:48

randomusernam · 11/06/2024 20:20

Please read the books! Loads of these are explained in the books

Yes exactly.

lynder · 11/06/2024 21:52

I feel like the "you're too young to know"s are completely random. Keeping the prophecy from Harry, as if it was a big traumatic thing, was just bizarre. This constant "he's just a boy" feels like it's used as a plot hole filler. The prophecy was no bigger a deal than anything else Harry was already aware of.

In fact it's true for most of the reveals in the book that had apparently been kept secret due to his age. None of them felt like things that needed keeping from a boy who was already getting attempts on his life every year.

Of course he's old enough to go into the death tournament because of the binding magical contract but god forbid he hears the truth about random parts of the story, because that might send him over the edge.

Hariborocks · 11/06/2024 21:57

How come Ron suddenly knows how to speak parseltongue and open the chamber of secrets in the deathly hallows. I always thought it was a special thing Harry got from having part of Voldemort's soul, it isn't like you can just pick it up like another language

TinkerTiger · 11/06/2024 21:58

GwenogJones · 11/06/2024 19:46

The timeturners are a closed loop and they don't actually change anything (and terrible things happen when you do try to change things), they just create more time. Buckbeak never died, the timeturner doesn't save him, it creates the time for Harry and Hermione to free him before he is killed. Macnair always swings his axe in frustration at being robbed of an execution, it's just the first time around Harry and Hermione couldn't see Buckbeak wasn't there... because they had already taken him, they just didn't know that yet. They thought he had been executed but they had already saved him.

They couldn't use the timeturner to stop Sirius or Harry's parents from dying because they actually die in the current timeline. Harry can't go back and change that.

As for the elaborate plot to kidnap Harry in GOF, remember Voldemort does not want anyone to know he has returned. If Harry just randomly disappears one day then the whole wizarding world will be up in arms searching for him, there have already been signs Voldeort is getting stronger - the jig will be up. Harry's death is supposed to look like a tragic accident in the maze - that's why the portkey can return to Hogwarts, Voldemort was always going to kill him and send the body back so no one was the wiser that anything but an accident had happened.

You're really JKR, aren't you?

llamajohn · 11/06/2024 22:17

siriusblackcat · 11/06/2024 19:56

He was only a baby so didn't understand he was seeing death.

Pretty sure he saw and understood that Quirell died

WhatsTheEffingPoint · 11/06/2024 22:17

Hariborocks · 11/06/2024 21:57

How come Ron suddenly knows how to speak parseltongue and open the chamber of secrets in the deathly hallows. I always thought it was a special thing Harry got from having part of Voldemort's soul, it isn't like you can just pick it up like another language

It's explained away that Harry talks in his sleep, so Ron picked it up there. I guess it's just a sound to him so he makes the same kind of sound and hey presto it opens!

llamajohn · 11/06/2024 22:18

WhatsTheEffingPoint · 11/06/2024 21:46

The twins had been selling their magic jokes that's how they had money, they only get the triwizard winning at the end of GOF.

Mine is Veritaserum....why was it not used more often, could have been used on Sirius in POA, could have even used it on Harry etc.

Hard to brew, controlled substance. Plus we don't know when it was invented.

llamajohn · 11/06/2024 22:19

deathlyhallows21 · 11/06/2024 21:37

snape was half muggle but all the death eaters respected him? i understand though it's bc voldermort liked him which meant he was to be respected.

Voldemort was half muggle too ...

llamajohn · 11/06/2024 22:20

LifeofBrienne · 11/06/2024 21:21

On ‘not all Slytherins bad’, when my kids watch the films, a thing that annoys me is all the Slytherins being shepherded away before the final battle. Because it seems so black and white, Slytherin = not to be trusted. I would really like them to have been given a choice and a handful to have chosen to stay and fight against the Death Eaters. It would be even better if it included named characters who weren’t particularly nice to Harry and his friends, but maybe turned out to be a bit brave and not evil.
I think it’s done the same way in the book but I read it a long time ago (though I remembered enough to be annoyed that they changed Neville’s hero scene in the film).

The Slytherin's fucked off in the book...

llamajohn · 11/06/2024 22:21

OPKQ · 11/06/2024 21:32

Lily couldn’t disapparate with baby Harry - she would risk him splinching.
It happens to Ron in book seven when they are escaping the ministry. Disapparating is a skill that can lead to injury if done incorrectly.

Presumably the house had anti apparition charms like hogwarts does.

echt · 11/06/2024 22:23

GwenogJones · 11/06/2024 21:01

But what about Quirrell? Not only did he see him die, he killed him. At 11 he was definitely old enough to understand death, so should have been able to see thestrals from end of first year/start of second year.

Book Harry doesn't see Quirrell die - and he doesn't kill him! His touch burns Quirrell but it doesn't turn him to dust like in the film. Voldemort leaves Quirrell's body and leaves him to die but Harry is unconscious at that point.

Thanks. Cleared it up.

ladygindiva · 11/06/2024 22:24

MariaVT65 · 11/06/2024 20:40

Redheads very rarely have blue or green eyes.

I know a family of three siblings who all have red hair and blue eyes

llamajohn · 11/06/2024 22:24

MaryMaryVeryContrary · 11/06/2024 20:42

Why did Hermione’s parents take a letter telling them she was a witch and needs to be shipped off to a magic castle they’ve never visited for months on end seriously, and actually send her

A teacher visits Muggle born homes and explains everything apparently.

turkeymuffin · 11/06/2024 22:25

spriots · 11/06/2024 19:33

The time turner thing - stupid thing to introduce, could solve any problems

The whole plot of Goblet of fire - entirely about getting Harry to pick up a portkey, there has to have been an easier way to do that!

Have you seen the cursed child?

Messing with time brings more problems than it solves.

BlowDryRat · 11/06/2024 22:26

Why is Hogwarts full of crap teachers? Dumbledore seems to run the place as a homeless hostel for selected adults rather than a school.

gingerale23 · 11/06/2024 22:29

Hariborocks · 11/06/2024 21:57

How come Ron suddenly knows how to speak parseltongue and open the chamber of secrets in the deathly hallows. I always thought it was a special thing Harry got from having part of Voldemort's soul, it isn't like you can just pick it up like another language

He just repeated what he'd heard harry say before.

SprigatitoYouAndIKnow · 11/06/2024 22:31

Not plot holes as such, but I never understand the whole quills and candles thing. Biros and light switches are so much better! Why would you be dipping a feather in ink when you can pick up a box of bic's for a fiver?

Also terribly sad that everyone gets shunted off to boarding school at 11. The adults I know who were boarders are all a bit messed up.