Thread 4 - Michael Mosley

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Body found and identified.

It was a UK news site that posted it. It's gone now.

@HELLYO99 I haven't seen anything apart from the blurred one, I hope that's the one and not an unblurred one. So disrespectful

Sadly wasn't blurred but it has now been deleted

Yep, he died of natural causes, confirmed today. And just 2.5 hours after leaving his party.

Please share. I’m interested to know myself. Other than finding shade to rest in, in addition to drinking fluid and eating carbs if available. But finding shade isn’t of course always possible.

@ducktapez Is there a properly marked circular route that doesn’t go via Agia Marina? The hiking map for Symi only shows a northerly and a southerly path on the peninsula going to and from the resort.

First aid for heat related illness:

https://www.redcross.org.uk/first-aid/learn-first-aid/heatstroke

https://www.sja.org.uk/get-advice/first-aid-advice/effects-of-heat-and-cold/heatstroke/

Heatstroke is an emergency and you should call emergency services.

I think he went up the mountain feeling absolutely fine, then got a bit lost and couldn't find his way back to civilisation. Walked for ages in the boiling heat, started to feel quite unwell then finally saw a path down to that little harbour area and thought "Thank God! I can get water and shade there". Then got down near the fence area but by now he was very unwell and suffering from heat stroke which explains why he was walking around in a confused state for 30 minutes and then collapsed. I don't think he intended to be up on the mountain for so long.

@SabrinaThwaite The route MM was on didn't really go via Agia Marina but it looked down upon it. MM went off piste to get to the beach bar. The link below seems to pick up the return route to Symi from the agia marina mountain area
https://www.symitop.gr/post/walks-from-pedi-to

Oh and of course the reports on Saturday showed graphics suggesting you could also enter the mountain at Pedi then hang a left and go up and over for a shorter route back to Symi. Most of the search activity seemed to be over that way rather than at the Agia Marina bit.

Please share. I’m interested to know myself. Other than finding shade to rest in, in addition to drinking fluid and eating carbs if available. But finding shade isn’t of course always possible.

If they are conscious - get them into shade/a cool place, remove unnecessary clothing, get them to drink a rehydration drink or water, cool their skin spray or sponge them with cool water and fan them, cold packs wrapped in towels placed under the armpit and neck area.

If not conscious - then recovery position and cool them by spraying/sponging them with water, put cool damp sheets or towels on them, fan them and CPR if required.

That's all I could find @WriterOfWrongs.

I missed out the most crucial bit - call the Emergency Services.

Mr Monkey is a regular and very experienced marathon runner so I have have spectated a good number in all weathers. It is terrfiying how rapidly heat exhaustion/dehydration can take hold.

Thanks @PlacidPenelope

And @SabrinaThwaite for links

Hmmm. The hiking map doesn’t show that at all - no marked paths on the peninsular that don’t go via Agia Marina. I wouldn’t trust the ‘maps’ shown in the press, they seem more like ‘this is the vague direction we think MM must have headed in to be making his way to Symi rather than walking in the opposite direction’.

Your link to walking routes appear to describe the two paths that converge on Agia Marina shown on the hiking map.

Personally, given that there doesn’t seem to be a defined route that doesn’t go via the resort, I think it’s unlikely that MM went off piste by going to Agia Marina - I think he lost his way part way along and forked north, joining the northerly path rather than staying on the southerly path.

Anyway, it’s all moot.

I've lived in the Middle East too, and people would certainly do runs in the desert, in winter, in the early morning, not at midday when the sun was high in the sky.

when I’ve been abroad and watching the news it’s quite confronting how typical it is for them to report on a shooting or whatever and then show the dead bodies. Is our news too sanitised I wonder.

I think we’re all a little too sanitised to a degree. The upside of seeing shocking images is it makes more of an impact on people I think in terms of lessons learned.

Anyway the papers are shifting to educational pieces on heatstroke etc so something positive is happening now.

@SabrinaThwaite

Yes, seems there's a route from Pedi direct to agia marina which leads to the south side entry point of the beach bar. Then there's a route that leads up and joins the circular route - this is the higher one and looks down on agia marina but doesn't lead directly to the beach bar. When I said off piste I just meant the final 30 yards or so down the hill to the bar. That barrys ramblings page addresses it the confusion.

But yes it is indeed all moot and there are plenty unknowns. Was Agia Marina MMs destination or was he actually intending to loop round to Symi to head back to his apartment? It's surely one of these 2 eventualities, but of course he simply cannot have communicated that to his party, so it does seem more spur of the moment. If you believe The Sun, he got lost and didn't intend entering the rocky mountain at all, they say he was aiming to head directly back, but I doubt he'd have made such a mistake.

And he continues to help others, even in death.
Im really bloody upset over this, the thoughts of it all is just so upsetting.
We all go on holidays, a cheeky week away in greece, sure its a tiny island, lets chill and swim and just enjoy the sun.
And then, robbed of it all in the saddest of ways.
I cant read anymore about it.
God rest his thoughtful soul may his memory be a blessing.

Terrible news. I found it odd he went off on his own when a boat trip with friends was the plan. Seems a bit 'off' to go and leave the company you have really just joined the day before, to me anyway. If he was feeling bored of beach sitting, a hike would surely require more planning/water/lower sun? Or was he feeling ill and trying to get home? So many questions.

Yes they think he died at 4pm, which would have been when they got the boat back.

So tragic for Clare and their four children. He did so nearly made it. Many thanks to those who have posted about the dangers of heatstroke and overheating in hot weather.

I was thinking about a time in Spain with my sister in the late 80s, I was in my 20s. We walked up to a monastery in searing heat, inland so no sea breezes. I felt dizzy and confused so left to walk down, once I got into shade I poured my water over me. It was siesta but a cafe owner let us in and gave us sweet warm coffee. No cold drinks he said and also gave us salted crisps. His kindness saved us.

I love listening to Michael Moseley, his voice is very reassuring.

May his family, who are obviously grieving his loss be assured that he did help millions of people.

I see what you mean. But he had done a boat trip there and then lunch with his wife and friends. Maybe the plan had always been for him to head off after lunch and have a walk back? Several possibilities.