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Thread 48 - Sunak - Capsized on the Ship of Lies

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DuncinToffee · 06/06/2024 14:12

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Notonthestairs · 06/06/2024 23:37

DuncinToffee · 06/06/2024 23:04

Confirmed: Rishi Sunak returned from D-Day for ITV interview, @PaulBrandITV says on News At Ten

It was No10’s choice to do the interview today

Just the wrong priorities.

They have been some terrible decisions recently. But this is something else. Shabby and not worthy of the event.

Whenever that interview is screened all anyone will think is that he should have been standing alongside Macron, Biden and Scholz.

Evenstar · 06/06/2024 23:43

@Bigcoatlady what you said is very interesting, and thinking it over I remember a lad in my sixth form, who like Sunak was very good at maths and science. He had a low offer from a top university, but was in danger of not getting in as he just could not answer questions where a response in words was needed.

Those of us doing subjects like English were utterly bewildered by this as he was clearly incredibly intelligent, one day he had an outburst in the common room saying he would find it much easier if everyone could communicate in quadratic equations as that was precise and left no room for misunderstandings.

I think Sunak has a similar inability to communicate with people who don’t think the way he does, there is no nuance in his world view which is already narrowed by his privileged education and wealth. I would also think that like my maths loving fellow pupil he lacks imagination, which inhibits empathy as you can’t see things from other people’s point of view.

He sees himself as being right and defends his mistakes to the last ditch because all decisions are binary, right or wrong without nuance.

L1ttledrummergirl · 06/06/2024 23:53

Party says new plan to raise the threshold at which families paying Child Benefit Tax Charge will see 700,000 families benefit by an average of £1,500

Have they said how that helps those in need of food banks, or who earn much less, or how this will help pay for junior doctors?

They are trying to go for the private school parents aren't they. Never mind that you already have much more income than the average worker, you'll also get extra.

They really are clueless.

Bigcoatlady · 06/06/2024 23:56

@user8800 I don't have enough experience of billionaires to know if they are all as odd as Sunak but maybe they are. It would explain a lot. I agree he's a knob! But I could feel angry with Boris Johnson - he's a conniving arsehole wh knows exactly what he's doing, chooses to put on his act and when not to etc. I don't think Sunak is a conniving arsehole. I think he's weird.

TokyoSushi · 07/06/2024 04:27

I agree here. I work with some incredibly intelligent people (science) they can tell you anything you'd ever wish to know about particle engineering and gene therapy, but they really struggle to function in the real world.

Sunak is similar. It's like he's landed here from a different planet (it's potentially just the wealth) and try as he might, he just can't fit in. Everything is odd, and disjointed and just plain awkward. He doesn't seem to understand social norms at all, and therefore continually comes across as 'a bit weird.'

I'm sure Starmer also has a couple of quid, and lives a fairly privileged lifestyle, but he does at least seem to have some idea of what it's like to be a 'normal person' in the UK, the issues we have and how you're supposed to behave.

LittleBowSheep · 07/06/2024 05:40

I do think that if someone is not able to understand how important yesterday's events were to the whole country that they are 'leader' of, then they really shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the role of PM.

Obviously there are many other occasions where Sunak has already proven how incompetent he is but this one really is a biggie.

I honestly think that the man is so entitled that he thinks he can do whatever he wants, because that's the life he is used to.

Saucery · 07/06/2024 06:12

Not comfortable with neurodiverse traits being wheeled out to explain Sunak’s bad PR calls. An arrogance born of privilege explains it quite adequately imo.
I thought we were better than the ‘weird…….normal people would……’ stuff.

Alexandra2001 · 07/06/2024 06:17

MrTiddlesTheCat · 06/06/2024 20:55

At the risk of sounding a bit gammony, do you think it's connected to both parents being immigrants? He doesn't have the tales of grandad going off to fight in France, or grandma working in the ammo factory, or Uncle Albert being killed on a beach in Normandy.

I think he is so removed from ordinary life, plus some personality traits, that he simply doesn't see why anyone would care about events 80 years ago.

I disagree he was badly advised, you shouldn't need to told what to do over these commemorations.

It shows the measure of the man.

Thingscanonlygetsunk · 07/06/2024 06:38

DuncinToffee · 06/06/2024 23:24

Tories vow ‘£1,500 tax cut for parents’

Party says new plan to raise the threshold at which families paying Child Benefit Tax Charge will see 700,000 families benefit by an average of £1,500

Funded by (you guessed it) tax avoidance clampdown

It is the Tories' fourth major policy announcement this election funded by its £6bn tax clampdown

— National Service, £1bn
— Triple Lock Plus, £2.4bn
— New towns pledge, £60mn
— Child Benefit shake-up, £1.3bn

Leaves £1.3bn for further announcements...

https://x.com/Josh_Self_/status/1798830519498797419

Remind me, who thought it was a good idea to stop Child benefit being universal?

Zonder · 07/06/2024 06:47

DuncinToffee · 06/06/2024 23:24

Tories vow ‘£1,500 tax cut for parents’

Party says new plan to raise the threshold at which families paying Child Benefit Tax Charge will see 700,000 families benefit by an average of £1,500

Funded by (you guessed it) tax avoidance clampdown

It is the Tories' fourth major policy announcement this election funded by its £6bn tax clampdown

— National Service, £1bn
— Triple Lock Plus, £2.4bn
— New towns pledge, £60mn
— Child Benefit shake-up, £1.3bn

Leaves £1.3bn for further announcements...

https://x.com/Josh_Self_/status/1798830519498797419

Free unicorns for all, maybe?

itsgettingweird · 07/06/2024 07:16

MrTiddlesTheCat · 06/06/2024 19:45

I've just read about Sunak sacking off the D-Day world leaders event. I am honestly gobsmacked. What on earth was he thinking. How can someone be so disconnected from the society they were born and raised in that they don't instinctively know how abhorent this choice was.

Insisting teenagers do national service for a year to give back to the nation, but refuses to give up a few hours of his own time to give back to those who gave up everything for the country.

Sorry, but I fucking hate him.

👏👏👏👏

That's the best description of how disrespectful it was I've seen.

Zonder · 07/06/2024 07:44

It wasn't on here that someone posted about being involved in the count after elections, was it?

I've just started a thread in GE 2024 to ask what happens with spoiled papers because I've seen so many people say that the candidates have to read what messages you write on your paper. I'm sure that's rubbish.

Someone on a feminist thread has said they have stickers made saying something about trans and put those on their ballot paper.

I was hoping for some response on my thread so I can link it to people who believe they're making a great statement

Piggywaspushed · 07/06/2024 08:04

Sunak has now apologised for leaving early...

Notonthestairs · 07/06/2024 08:05

Agree with Itsgettingweird - Littledrummergirl1 sums it up regarding D-Day.

I am angrier this morning than I was last night.

And I would say that if Starmer or Davey had left early. Particularly because Sunak didnt leave for pressing practical reasons (emergency in the UK) but for political reasons (record an interview for release next week).

It was a World War. We commemorate all those that put their lives on the line.

Anyone suggesting Sunak is busier than Biden, Macron or Scholtz can get in the damn bin.

No surprises that my newspaper (Times) has skipped over this. Complicit twats.

BIossomtoes · 07/06/2024 08:07

Piggywaspushed · 07/06/2024 08:04

Sunak has now apologised for leaving early...

The damage is done. It was an utterly stupid thing to do and yet another sign of how much his comms team must detest him. It’s got to be deliberate, it’s just been one fuck up after another since he stood in the rain imitating Hugh Grant in two roles at once.

Alexandra2001 · 07/06/2024 08:09

Piggywaspushed · 07/06/2024 08:04

Sunak has now apologised for leaving early...

So what?

Sick to death of businesses, police and politicians "apologising" for errors, its just not enough.

He left early, for no real reason, he showed his true colours.

Eve · 07/06/2024 08:10

Possibly a cultural element to Sunak as well, I work with a lot of men from a similar culture / background and come across some who have such complete confidence in themselves that they don’t have a conversation with you but at you and cannot cope with even a question. Asking a question results in a how very dare you tetchy answer and they go into defence mode of doubling down & refusing to listen.

Zonder · 07/06/2024 08:11

Alexandra2001 · 07/06/2024 08:09

So what?

Sick to death of businesses, police and politicians "apologising" for errors, its just not enough.

He left early, for no real reason, he showed his true colours.

Also I've noticed an interesting rule. If a Tory screws up and apologises it must be brushed under the carpet Frank Hester. If a labour person screws up and apologises it must be held up as a mark of being guilty for ever more Diane Abbott

Alexandra2001 · 07/06/2024 08:23

Zonder · 07/06/2024 08:11

Also I've noticed an interesting rule. If a Tory screws up and apologises it must be brushed under the carpet Frank Hester. If a labour person screws up and apologises it must be held up as a mark of being guilty for ever more Diane Abbott

Yep and the apology is almost always forced, once found out.

Not attending wasn't some slip up, like knocking over a cup of tea, he deliberately chose to go home early, he clearly doesn't care, even if he thinks he is going to lose the GE, this was an event that should have been a total honour to be at.

Apologising only when criticised by military and his own party base.

Piggywaspushed · 07/06/2024 08:29

Alexandra2001 · 07/06/2024 08:09

So what?

Sick to death of businesses, police and politicians "apologising" for errors, its just not enough.

He left early, for no real reason, he showed his true colours.

I agree, hence my ellipses...

CassieMaddox · 07/06/2024 08:30

Bigcoatlady · 06/06/2024 23:56

@user8800 I don't have enough experience of billionaires to know if they are all as odd as Sunak but maybe they are. It would explain a lot. I agree he's a knob! But I could feel angry with Boris Johnson - he's a conniving arsehole wh knows exactly what he's doing, chooses to put on his act and when not to etc. I don't think Sunak is a conniving arsehole. I think he's weird.

Yes I agree with this. I actually feel a bit sorry for him. He's basically been left to clean Johnson and Truss' skidmarks off the Tory toilet and is completely out of his depth

He should have resigned instead of calling a GE (from his own perspective, not that of the country).

Maybe his campaign is a fuck you very much to the Tory party

Notonthestairs · 07/06/2024 08:31

It is a privilege to represent this country - particularly at those events. It is opportunity handed to very few people.

I expect them to put their politics aside for that time and on our behalf acknowledge the debt.

There was a thread on MN a few of years ago with people outlining their grandparents (and a few parents) experiences of WW2. Stories from all over the world. I thought it was very moving. And a reminder of the responsibilities we have to our armed forces and young people.

A late tweeted apology doesn't cut it.

CassieMaddox · 07/06/2024 08:32

Ooh. Lib Dems proposing extra parental leave for fathers. I like this policy a lot. This one could persuade me as I think its necessary to support equality at work.

DuncinToffee · 07/06/2024 08:33

https://x.com/sophgaston/status/1798936577730879810

The predictable consequence of the PM’s astonishing decision to leave the D-Day commemorations early is that in Zelenskyy’s moving video of his attendance, Britain - Ukraine’s most ardent ally - is represented by the leader of the opposition.

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Notonthestairs · 07/06/2024 08:34

Honestly there are no excuses.

The whole point of this is that your background, intellect etc do not matter.

You are there as proxy. You stand alongside nations to honour them.

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