Michael Mosley missing after disappearing on holiday walk

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Just that really. Will he be found?

Walking any distance in such searing heat would be tricky.

I agree that they don’t need to tell us all the details. The problem with that though is that people endlessly speculate. Which I think is also upsetting for the family (see the Nichola Bully case). There is a fine balance to strike and it does make it a bit different as he is in the public eye.

he might not be in or around the path but if he went in the sea they wouldn’t necessarily have found him. Also I remember in the Nicola Bulley case someone doing the search being certain she was not in the stretch of river she was eventually found in. They don’t know.

If he walked the full way home it was more like 60+ minutes, depending on terrain. They were staying in Symi Town which is 3.5 km from the beach.

How awful for his wife. The worst thing is th not knowing.

Someone close to me went missing. And we didn't find him for a long time. And he had died

It was all we thought about day and night for months.

You can't rest when someone is missing and you are also imagining the worse.

I'm really feeling for his wife

It says they were staying in Pedi, which is a small settlement on the other side of the island, not Symi Town. I have done that walk and it's a narrow path that you can take around the hill and down to Pedi.

Maybe the group on the beach didn’t get back until a few hours later - and it was only then that she realised he wasn’t back at the house where she expected to find him.

Possibly this.
Also if my DH was missing for a few hours in the afternoon I wouldn't immediately worry. I'd assume he'd decided to go into town or stop for a drink or something.

Same. His advice helped me lose 2 stone after lockdowns. The ferocious heat must be a major factor. Reports say there’s a yellow warning for Symi this afternoon, with temperatures up to 48 degrees. The rocky terrain likely intensifies the heat. I used to live in southern Spain and loved walking in the winter. But in summer midday hiking can be v risky, especially alone. Even a 20 minute stroll can take a huge toll on the body. I really hope they find him. His wife must be distraught. One blessing is she appears to be staying with local friends, who are likely to know the area, the locals, hopefully speak some Greek and be a big support to her.

People will speculate no matter what. Look at the speculation around Kate Middleton "going missing". Even after they released the video where she explained she had cancer, there was still endless speculation: "It's a fake video, you can tell by the slats on the bench not lining up properly, that's not her, it's AI" etc etc
And in relation to the Nicola Bulley case, the police tried to end all the murder speculation (especially that her DH murdered her) by explaining the context. She was a vulnerable woman who had an alcohol problem since suffering menopause problems. People were absolutely outraged that this personal information was released.
Whatever we're told, people will speculate. Let the police get on with their job.

Im not talking about kate middleton in particular.

but AI is extremely advanced these days. I just attended an AI workshop at work, and they can make a video of anyone saying anything in AI. It's so realistic

AI does exist to the level where media can put out fake videos of people, if they want

Considering the short distances involved, it's very odd they cannot find anything by a quick drone or aerial search. If he was injured and incapacitated, he could not have gone far either. The terrain also looks very sparse without trees and vegetation.

Also find it a bit strange that one person would choose to leave a group at a beach on the grounds of "being tired", only to undertake a walk in blistering heat without a cell phone. It feels like there's definitely information that they have not released.

The most logical thing in the same situation is for a couple to leave together if one isn't feeling well. Considering they already had a swim and enjoyed a bit of the beach, if one partner is tired then both would make their excuses and leave. And it seems crazy that you would let your husband (tired or unwell) walk home alone in 30+ heat without checking he had his cellphone.

It feels like he didn't want to be reached or he insisted on going home alone or there was some incident or argument that resulted in the solo departure. The 6 hour delay is also suspicious because considering the size of the island and the beach, it's quite unusual to stay that long in one location. The beach is idyllic but tiny. Considering they already had a swim and were there for maybe 1-2 hours after landing by boat, it meant the remaining group sat on a beach for 7-8 hours in the summer heat?! No matter how good friends you are, can 3 adults entertain themselves for 7 hours straight in one location? Especially considering one left after claiming to be tired/unwell, it would be bleedingly obvious to get home earlier and check on him.

Another giant question mark is why they did not attempt to call his cellphone after the time he should have been back at the villa, and why they chose to stay for at least several more hours on the beach after not being able to reach him. The walk was only 20mins, so they must have sent a message or attempted to call. Even if they assumed he might be sleeping, it should have raised alarm bells if there was still no call back after several hours.

They said he went alone because he wanted to go alone.

That he loves hiking.

I love walking and hiking, and I would often to choose to go for a walk alone, to really experience it and have a moment to myself.

A lot of people go for hikes alone, even if they are holidaying with a group.

According to Greek news reports I've seen, he was walking to Pedi to catch a bus back to where he was staying. I had at first understood that he was staying in Pedi itself, but I think that was where they had all caught the water-taxi from in the morning. So I don't think he walked as much as 3.5km in that heat, but who knows. The odd thing is that the supposed sighting of him at the bus-stop in Pedi was shown not to be him by CCTV.
It's very sad.

'Dr Mosley and his wife landed on the 25-square-mile island on Tuesday and were due to stay for a week with a couple who have a house in Symi Town.

The two couples took a boat up the coast on Wednesday morning. They stopped at Saint Nicholas beach where the diet doctor, a father of four, went for a swim in the sea before deciding to walk the 2.2 miles back home at 1.30pm.

He had left his phone at their friends' home, and when Dr Bailey and the couple returned to the property, they found that Dr Mosley had not returned and his mobile was where he left it.

After the alarm was raised, a woman reported seeing Dr Mosley walking past a bus stop in Pedi, halfway between Saint Nicholas beach and Symi Town. There were also claims he was seen talking to someone.

If confirmed, the sighting would indicate he made it past the most perilous coastal segment of the route. But officers could not find any images of the doctor on the limited CCTV in the area.

There are several rocky outcrops along the route to Pedi and it was feared Dr Mosley could have fallen into the sea.
Once past the small coastal town of Pedi, the route to his holiday home involves main roads lined with houses.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13504597/Police-search-missing-Dr-Michael-Mosley-extra-officers-dog-unit-Greek-island.html

Sorry but you don’t know at all that that’s unusual for them. Not everyone lives in each others pocket and I don’t think it’s odd that one from a couple would choose to go home early while the others stay. It can be hard to gauge from the beach how hot it is as well because the sea has a cooling effect and they may have been sitting under umbrellas. So the fact that he chose to walk back early isn’t odd.

I've just come back from Spain. I've been to Spain at this time of year , many times before.

This is the first time that the heat was really unbearable during the day. I couldn't go outside during the day comfortably. Even at 6pm it was too hot. You would get severely burnt at 6pm. People sheltered inside and went out after 7pm .
there is definitely a heatwave on around Europe.

As we learnt from the Nicola B story nothing is impossible. I think however it’s most likely he suffered a medical episode and fell into the sea. They apparently arrived on Tuesday from what is a pretty chilly uk so no time to acclimatise just straight to a beach with no shade in 40c heat, with known medical problems. Not the most sensible of plans.

@Thisoldheartofmine from above the terrain looks like it could be steep, but if you go to streetview you can find photos of the actual path and it's nowhere near as forbidding as it looks from above. I suppose if a person fainted due to heat exhaustion and fell off the path then they could roll and fall into the water, but it seems unlikely.

And I think that people can underestimate the danger of coastal island walks.

Physically it can be dangerous - the ground can be very crumbly , and there are no coastal barriers in a lot of places, if you fall, it is a very long fall

The other danger is that you are walking in an isolated area,
and wealthy tourists are targets for crime.
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Firefighters have told the mayor of Simi that it’s ‘impossible’ that he could still be there. They have said they would have found him by now. Apparently the path he took was very clear and had no dangers

I guess judging whether a path might be dangerous could be subjective, and officials might be guided by the impact on tourism.

why are you using the high-five emoji?

It's also the praying emoji

That's the prayer or thanks emoji.

It has nothing to do with living in each other's pocket but common sense. Granted, it wasn't necessary for both to walk home together but checking in via message or phone call once that person should be back home seems obvious. Why the 6 hour delay when they never got a call or message back? If someone started a thread on MN with the exact same scenario, the advice would be to head back to the villa asap to see if your husband was there.

This is entirely within the context of that day considering the walk was in blistering heat in a foreign country, he already mentioned he wanted to leave because he was tired and the obvious factor of age. I would not say he's elderly, he's the same age as my parents, but I would definitely be concerned if they undertook a walk in the same conditions. It's not the same as meeting friends at your local pub and then walking 1-2km back home.

There seems to be lots of info that hasn't been released. I think it's fully possible the other adults went back earlier and maybe attempted to locate him for a few hours before raising alarm. But the official facts is making the story sound stranger than it should be.

How terrible. I go for solo walks and hikes all the time; I should be more careful. I do take my phone, but once I forgot it. Not usually in deserted areas in such heat, though.

Many of us like solo walks and not because we have fought with our spouses. Distasteful speculation.

its the praying emoji ffs