Purge the Labour party of the lefties

[Viviennemary]

Just seen on BBC news that Labour wants a purge of the left. Bring it on I say. It was unelectable under Corbyn and that idiotic Momentum lot. Why doesn't Diane Abbott just retire gracefully. But loòks like its all going to cause a big row with the Tories rubbing their hands in glee. Will they ever learn.

Hang on - your definition of an antisemite is someone who has been arrested for antisemitism??
Clearly Hitler was not antisemitic then.
Tommy Robinson has never been arrested or charge for racist crimes either. Mustn’t be a racist.

But you Surely MUST consider someone losing their job and an EHRC investigation finding you ran an antisemitic office, antisemitism right?

I have no issue denouncing antisemitism

So why don’t you then actually if you have no problem with it? There’s loads of threads you’re on where you’re downplaying it. I suspect you won’t call the antisemitic crimes of Berger’s harrassers antisemitism not because of “I won’t give in to bullies” - but because for some reason it REALLY pains you to admit something is antisemitic

I accuse antisemites of antisemitism, yes. Don’t get antisemitic if you don’t want the accusation.

Your staunch defence of anything labelled antisemitic is deeply concerning

I mean if someone lost their job because they were Islamophobic or racist would you say “Well they didn’t get arrested so they can’t be?”

Or is this only an exception you make for Jewish people?

@YaMuvva There were plenty of Jewish people calling out the accusations of anti semitism. But they were on the left though, so they must have been misguided, putting their lefty views before their cultural heritage.

The EHRC found that Jeremy Corbyn’s office intervened in several cases of suspected antisemitism. They also noted that in all those cases it was to expedite expulsion from the party. If you’d got your info from anywhere other than people with a right wing agenda, you might have already known that and come to a different conclusion as to whether Corbyn is antisemitic.

And this is why I have no interest in discussing anything with you. You can clearly just say what you want and accuse anyone of anything. Reply to me if you wish, but you clearly have an agenda and you are not posting with good intentions. I will not be replying to you further.

Actually That was labour party’s defence, not what the EHRC found. They found Corbyn’s labour had breached the equality act in relation to antisemitism

Nothing to do with left wing or right wing - I got my information from the EHRC. Such a right wing organisation. Those pesky Jews just exaggerate EVERYTHING

I don’t ‘accuse anyone of anything’. I accuse antisemitic people of antisemitism.

I have actually over many threads asked you if you consider various things - that are glaringly antisemitic and have been declared so by the police, party leaders, Jewish people themselves and other - are antiemetic and you’ve never ONCE said ‘yes it is antisemitic’.

you may get away with this kind of low level denial with people who share your views but we see you. We really do.

Stop whining about being called an antisemite. If you don’t wanna be called it perhaps reflect on your language and behaviour

This is what the EHRC said in response to political interference in those 23 complaints.

You are absolutely wrong when you say the EHRC found the complaints were interfered in to accelerate expulsion

I mean even the most raging antisemites among us must be deeply worried that a third of complaints about racism in a political party were interfered with by MPs who had no business interfering? It’s corruption at its most basic level

Sorry dunno why that picture is so grainy. T

Gah I hate it when I miss a deleted post! Bloody MNHQ being quick off the mark 🤣

And the denial continues to just how destructive and poisonous Corbyn/McDonnell were to the Labour Party

Starmer has had to show just how far removed he is from this fraction of the left of the party, Blair didn’t have this issue they were at times a thorn in his side as they were with previous Labour leaders that’s all they were they were nothing more it’s when they came into the spotlight their style of politics/the purple they choose to keep compliant with and support as they and how they managed the party that many people decided that is not who I shall be voting for

of course the press shall be blamed (all Labour leaders get a harder time in the press) but regardless people were put off by Corbyn by Corbyn himself and claiming people were just fooled by the press really has done Labour no favours at all

*the people they choose to keep company with

stupid auto correct

I give up on this thread. Too much madness.
How anyone can think it's acceptable to bully a woman who's recently given birth, who's worked tirelessly for years, who did nothing wrong; and who genuinely cares about everyone - of all faiths and none, in her local area, is utterly beyond me.
People are listening to soundbites, not actually taking time to see what's really gone on here. It's very upsetting. Other candidates have done/said genuinely racist and at times anti-semitic things, and have got away with it, because they're on the right.
Why are people so nervous about socialism? It's just about fairness.
I need to leave this thread for my mental health, because I'm worried I combust if I don't.
Peace and love to all.

I hear you! It's also very upsetting and worrying that women of colour seem to be the easy target 😭

@TryingToSeeTheFunnySide I think I may join you in giving up. I’ll never understand how there can be so many people complaining about not being able to see a GP or the long wait times at A&E etc but then state that voting for Corbyn who actually cared and wanted to help is voting for an extreme left government.

I genuinely don’t get how people think sometimes. Socialism is seen as a dirty word but really all it boils down is a fairer and more equal society.

Do you really think the only opportunity to have fixed this in our lifetime was to have a racist in power? And yes antisemitism is racism

TBH when it comes to a political party that has had an absolutely damning report and track record on VERY RECENT antisemitism within the party, perpetuated by its leader who was booted for antisemitism, I think it’s ABSOLUTELY the right thing to not add candidates to their party who support the wider downplaying of antisemitism. Even if she is a woman who’s just given birth. Those attributes don’t give anyone a free pass.

If this had been about Islamophobia, or homophobia, and the Labour Party were blocking anyone who was a smidgen homophobic or Islamophobic, nobody would be up in arms about it.

It sadly seems Jews are fair game and we should just STFU.

@YaMuvva are you familiar with Martin Forde KC?

Yep, with no connection to Corbyn, or even the Labour party, at all.

That didn't stop the media from leaving the fallacious association between the two in the air though, or people even now as in this discussion from referring to it as fact.

Yes. The point is who were those threats and abuse directed at her BY? The original claim here, that she needed police protection "for speaking against Corbyn" suggests that it's somehow his fault or the fault of his supporters. I'm sure we can agree Jeremy Corbyn is not personally responsible for the actions of every far right nutter on the opposite side of the political spectrum from him.

"In the wake of..." is just a disingenuous way of trying to suggest that because the threats came chronologically after the Labour kerfuffle, they were somehow a direct expression of it.

This issue is summarised on page 55 of the report:

"We received representations noting that the intervention of LOTO staff in some antisemitism cases was to press for action to be taken, and that this could not amount to a disadvantage. We accept that, in some cases, the LOTO staff interference catalysed action. However, the inappropriateness of political
interference in antisemitism complaints is not necessarily about the particular
outcomes that it led to, but rather the contamination (and / or the perception of contamination) of the fairness of the process.
Jewish members are proportionately more likely than non-Jewish members to
make a complaint about antisemitism. Consequently, the practice of political
interference in antisemitism complaints, and in ‘politically sensitive’ complaints
generally, put Jewish members at a particular disadvantage compared to non-
Jewish members."

There is no clear conclusion about whether the "some" cases in with LOTO staff pressed for action to be taken, rather than against action being taken, were a majority of cases or a minority. Basically, the report makes no claim that the Labour leadership interferred in the disciplinary process in order to tolerate antisemitism and stop people being expelled for it (which is the assumed conclusion that has been allowed to stand for people who don't actually read the report, and which you seem to be reiterating here). It only makes the claim that the Labour leadership interferred in the disciplinary process FULL STOP.

There is an essential part of the puzzle that it misses: which is that the Labour party's disciplinary process is an absolute dog's breakfast that anybody with any sense of justice or accountability would laugh out of court. Everything that happens in the Labour party is subject to political interference of all sorts; there is no objectivity about anything.

In this sense, antisemitism complainants were just being treated the same as everyone else. Not that I'm justifying that of course, in either case.