Purge the Labour party of the lefties

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Just seen on BBC news that Labour wants a purge of the left. Bring it on I say. It was unelectable under Corbyn and that idiotic Momentum lot. Why doesn't Diane Abbott just retire gracefully. But loòks like its all going to cause a big row with the Tories rubbing their hands in glee. Will they ever learn.

@HRTQueen Ok, so you are a Labour Party member? What do you think the Labour Party should be? You're clearly anti left wing. If Labour aren't left wing, there's no bloody point to them. Their very existence came about to represent the working man over capital. We've got a right wing party in the Conservatives, we have a centre right party in the Lib Dems (although they were more left than labour when Kennedy was leader at the same time as Blair), if Labour are centre right as they were under Blair, the country loses.

Look at America now and the increasing likelihood of a Trump re-election in November. Trump is just a symptom of Democrat Clinton's 2 terms in the 1990s, when the working man was not represented by a party that was supposed to be on their side. Blair bears huge responsibility for where our own country is now. The people Labour were supposed to represent were not represented during that 13 years they were in power. Both of them using the bullshit '3rd way', which meant a lot of socially liberal baubles but right wing economics that shafted millions of people.

It's not this election that should worry people. It's the 2029 election, when the real jack boots will come marching in because nothing changes regardless of whether it's the Tories or Labour in power.

Don't try that shyte. There's something amiss when you're 200 times more likely to be charged with antisemitism in the Labour party if you're Jewish and on the left.

@BlueJamSandwich We cannot afford free education now because 45% of 18 year olds go to uni. In the late 1970s it was 14%. Even in 1990 it was 19%. We then had the huge explosion in the number of unis. How do you think they should be funded? The vast numbers cannot be entirely supported by the state. We do have around 50% not paying loans back which will possibly fall now loan term is longer. The drive to expand the sector has cost a lot! The value of outstanding uni loans is £206 billion. I think we should look to other models of HE! We need a lot more jobs with day release - apprenticeships!

@TizerorFizz And wouldn't it have been great if Labour, during their 13 years in power had expanded vocational training and apprenticeships, instead of wanting 50% of school leavers to go to university so more people could pretend they were middle class.

Never mind, that nice young man Euan Blair now has a company specialising in apprenticeships, is worth millions and has gained himself a lovely MBE off the back of it.

[rolls eyes so far back, they get lost]

The people Labour were supposed to represent were not represented during that 13 years they were in power. Both of them using the bullshit '3rd way', which meant a lot of socially liberal baubles but right wing economics that shafted millions of people.

How did people get 'shafted' during that time? What exactly happened to them? Because while it certainly wasn't perfect, life was demonstrably better for most 'ordinary' people during that time. It may not have been a socialist utopia, but it wasn't a dystopia where everyone got shafted either, in my opinion.

And wouldn't it have been great if Labour, during their 13 years in power had expanded vocational training and apprenticeships, instead of wanting 50% of school leavers to go to university

They did do that. Those two policies were not mutually exclusive. I've been teaching for nearly 20 years and there was a wider range of vocational course options when I started, which quickly started being sidelined, defunded or seen as 'dumbing down' and frowned upon as soon as the Tories got in in 2010.

I've already explained this. We fund it the way we fund everything, the Bank of England generates the funds government spend. The revenue we collect then goes towards paying off the "overdraft". The benefits to the economy result in more revenue.

Scotland, Norway, Austria, Germany, Greece, Sweden etc manage. Even in France it's so heavily subsidised they only pay about £150 a year.

I dislike the part of the left of the party that have continuously over the past 40 years tried to pull the party to the left when it has have been obvious time and time again that the majority of voters will not vote for this what’s the use of being in opposition just because you can keep to a set of ideals

the political landscape changed hugely under Thatcher when millions of working class voters switched alliance. It’s tedious the romanticising about Labour being the party for the working class (which I hear from mainly hand-wringing middle class types who like to lecture about what the working class want we are not a homogeneous group of people)

New Labour improved the lives for millions of people (I am not suggesting everything New Labour did was great) there is a choice Labour are in power and can make changes for the better especially for those who have less or Labour are in opposition where they can’t make changes

in 2019 it was very clear that Labour as it was was rejected by the public thankfully we have a party who is electable now and I believe shall get in and be in the position to make changes

What’s the point in not having a party who will actually work at improving the NHS and education? There’s so many threads here about A & E wait times, unable to see a GP, taking children out of school because of how they can’t meet a child’s needs. But people say any party wanting to actually do something about these things is extreme left?

Corbyn was divisive, yes, but at least he genuinely cared about ordinary people and had a desire to help them.

Other countries manage it.
People bang on about pfi but student funding is going to be a far bigger mill stone around our necks,

Just 37% of students go to Uni, similar to many other countries.

£2,5 billion per year on national service, a total waste of money and 12,5 billion over the course of the next parliament, think what that could do for young people?

Its not that the public reject left leaning policies, its that the media attack them & the public tend to follow this, so we have the media questioning the costs of absolutely everything the Labour party say they will do but do not ask how the Tories will fund their spending plans?

The latest one - £20m each for 30 towns, no one questioning where this money will come from or why they haven't done it earlier.....

Plus we have a voting system where we are governed by a minority party, despite a 80 seat majority, just 44% voted for the Tories, more people voted for pro EU pro left leaning parties.

Young people vote far less too.

Which MPs had to have police protection "for speaking against Corbyn"? I'm pretty sure that's a lie.

I'd be interested to know what proportion of people in other European countries, where university education is free or so cheap as to be effectively free, go to university.

I don't know the answer, and it would take longer than I have right now to get a meaningful balanced picture. I do remember reading that one of the factors behind the success of some of the Scandinavian countries in the technology sector was a high level of university education. But then there's obviously a trade-off to be accepted there in terms of high tax rates.

Luciana Berger.

https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/luciana-berger-hits-back-after-online-attacks-conference-police-protection/

Was that specifically for "speaking out against Corbyn"?

It was a far right person who was convicted over harrassing Berger.

In case there's any doubt, I'm not denying she received police protection or had threats. Yes she did, and that in itself is disgusting.

Unfortunately she's not the only MP who needs protection. And female MPs seem to receive threats regularly. We know since Jo Cox that they must be taken seriously. Nobody should have this fear for doing their job.

Ms Berger was provided with protection after police carried out a risk assessment. The decision was made after threats and abuse were directed at the MP in the wake of her criticisms of the Labour leadership's handling of the anti-Semitism row.

https://www.itv.com/news/granada/2018-09-26/corbyn-there-is-no-threat-at-party-conference-as-jewish-mp-seeks-police-protection

Agree 100%

@MaryMaryVeryContrary so you disagreed with the manifesto at the time wanting to actually help people by improving the NHS, education etc? If funding schools and a party at the time who genuinely cared about improving people’s lives is seen as extreme then we have no hope.

Several people have been jailed for threats against Luciana Berger who very bravely challenged Jeremy Corbyn as to why he objected to the VERY antisemitic Mear One mural behind taken down/covered.

Other female MPs HAVE had threats against them but only Jewish MPs have antisemitic threats by neo-Nazis wanting to kill them. Does it matter WHY these neo-Nazis did this?? Why are you looking for their excuses?

Do you acknowledge Luciana Berger is a victim of antisemitism?

Of course any and all threats are disgusting.

I queried it because the implication was that the threat was directly linked to Corbyn, which it wasn't, and who isn't antisemitic.

I'm not excusing the threats at all... but you can't just make damaging implications either... yet you seem happy enough to do so.

Were any of the people jailed for threatening her actually connected to Corbyn in any way?

Can I ask what it will take for you to admit something is antisemitic? Saying Corbyn is not antisemitic is deeply offensive and just factually wrong

I'm not excusing the threats at all... but you can't just make damaging implications either... yet you seem happy enough to do so.

Im not implying anything expect you are point blank refuse to call ANYTHING antiemetic even when it’s plain as day that it is. Including men being jailed for antisemitism.

What is the point of you saying Jeremy Corbyn is not antisemitic - are you justifying the crimes against Berger??

Were any of the people jailed for threatening her actually connected to Corbyn in any way?

What does this matter? One planned to kill her. Does it matter why?

Were the attacks against Berger antisemitic? Will you answer this? And if not why not?

PS caveating a post with “threats are disgusting” doesn’t make the apologist content that follows acceptable

I actually feel like “Yeah but did she criticise Jeremy Corbyn unfairly” is a version of “But what was she wearing”

But it’s ok it’s only a Jewish woman she probably deserves it ey