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Can you really not move to Australia with Autism?

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sandygrapes · 27/05/2024 11:32

Just that really.

I follow a midwife on there from the UK. She is open and honest, and is paid so much better with amazing working conditions. That's just one example of a profession

Is it really true families who have someone who's autistic cannot move out there or is it far more complex than that?

This is just out of interest.

I have family in NZ and know they're quite strict there

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nothingsforgotten · 27/05/2024 22:51

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 27/05/2024 17:31

It’s discrimination against those with disabilities

It’s also short sighted as pp said. Wonder if Elon musk would be allowed

For goodness sake, will you give up!! Australia, or indeed any county, is entitled to pick and choose who they let move there. As for being "short sighted" I think you will find there are many people queuing up to get to Australia, so they are well able to pick and choose.

BruFord · 27/05/2024 22:56

Olivegardenishome · 27/05/2024 22:37

Having autism does not automatically disqualify individuals from immigrating to Australia. The key determinant is whether the individual meets the criteria outlined by the Australian immigration authorities. This is why it’s pretty crucial if you’re in this position to seek professional advice. A migration lawyer will be able to put forward a case to immi determining if the person with autism will be a burden on Australia’s resources.

I had adults who had an autism diagnosis be able to hold down long term professional jobs (teachers, nurses) they were granted visas. On the other hand I’ve had families who’ve had a toddler who had an autism or similar diagnosis, and those children were declined a PR visa.

But in answer to OP’s question, no it isn’t true that somebody will automatically get declined a visa just because they have autism.

Thanks so much, @Olivegardenishome .

RhonaTheMoaner · 27/05/2024 22:57

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You’re such a little charmer 😂

coupdetonnerre · 27/05/2024 23:00

sandygrapes · 27/05/2024 12:02

Disabled children are different. From a DLA point of view, you just have to be resident here for I believe 6 months

Why wouldn't you be able to buy an insurance policy to fully cover your child (albeit expensive) - surely that would mean you can move if you really want to?

Scautish · 27/05/2024 23:01

RhonaTheMoaner · 27/05/2024 22:57

You’re such a little charmer 😂

I’m not little I’m a bit fat [insert random emoticon that allistics seem to love but I don’t understand]

nothingsforgotten · 27/05/2024 23:11

WhatIsThatThumpingInTheGarden · 27/05/2024 19:00

Why shouldn't a country be allowed to discriminate in this circumstances though? A country's government is there to oversee the interests of its citizens, not the interests of all the citizens in the world.

Well said. How entitled are some of you, that you think you can just move to any country you want to, with no strings attached? Australia is a highly regarded immigration destination, they do not have to take just anyone who wants to move there, for every application they turn down there are many more waiting. Why should they take on people who may be heavy users of their health system? Their own citizens are indeed their priority, and that's as it should be.

Kendodd · 27/05/2024 23:16

For those offended by this, how do you think immigration should work? Should we have any controls at all? What is immigration actually for?
If a new migrant has severely disabled dependents, that will cost the local tax payer 100k a year each to support, that's fine?

DifficultBloodyWoman · 27/05/2024 23:16

30% of people living in Australia were born overseas.

That is comparatively incredibly high.

Are people really surprised that there are restrictions on immigration? And that health is just one area of restrictions?

DifficultBloodyWoman · 27/05/2024 23:18

DifficultBloodyWoman · 27/05/2024 23:16

30% of people living in Australia were born overseas.

That is comparatively incredibly high.

Are people really surprised that there are restrictions on immigration? And that health is just one area of restrictions?

Oh, and just to scare the racists, those ‘people born overseas’, also known as ‘immigrants’ are likely have more children born in Australia than people who were born in Australia themselves.

ClairemacL · 27/05/2024 23:19

Kendodd · 27/05/2024 23:16

For those offended by this, how do you think immigration should work? Should we have any controls at all? What is immigration actually for?
If a new migrant has severely disabled dependents, that will cost the local tax payer 100k a year each to support, that's fine?

I think some people just don’t like being told “No, sorry, you don’t make the grade to do what you want to do.”

Really though it’s just tough luck. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Othersideofworld · 27/05/2024 23:23

Gall10 · 27/05/2024 11:53

Not so many years ago Australia wouldn’t allow in people of colour!

1966! A lot has changed mate.

BruFord · 27/05/2024 23:23

DifficultBloodyWoman · 27/05/2024 23:16

30% of people living in Australia were born overseas.

That is comparatively incredibly high.

Are people really surprised that there are restrictions on immigration? And that health is just one area of restrictions?

Yes, @DifficultBloodyWoman , I also saw that number on the Australian government’s website. That’s pretty high, the US (where I now live) is only 15.5%.

So Australia must be admitting plenty of “forriners.”

My Mum lived in Australia for several years (work visa as a teacher) she returned to the UK for a few months to see my Grandma and met my Dad. I could easily have been an Ozzie though, she had an Australian bf whom she had to dump. 😂

35mph · 27/05/2024 23:26

My DC costs the council/gov/whoever else about 70k a year, probably more

My dh had the opportunity of a massively well paid job in the US, but we have a dd with severe LD. Soon realised it was a no go. No chance of us going with him.

Ownedbykitties · 27/05/2024 23:31

SilverBranchGoldenPears · 27/05/2024 11:54

Countries have to ensure that their citizens aren’t left paying taxes to support non-nationals with disabilities. Otherwise you can end up with what is essentially benefit or health tourism. If a person has a child that will always require care then how can they, barring wealth ensure that the state won’t have to step in at some point. And yes I don’t disagree it’s discrimination but countries have to put their own citizens and residents first. This is reasonable and expected.

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Maybe the UK should follow this model?

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 27/05/2024 23:35

nothingsforgotten · 27/05/2024 22:51

For goodness sake, will you give up!! Australia, or indeed any county, is entitled to pick and choose who they let move there. As for being "short sighted" I think you will find there are many people queuing up to get to Australia, so they are well able to pick and choose.

I guess it comes down to whether you think that people with autism can be contributors to society.

Imo diversity is a good thing. And ND people contribute in many amazing ways.

From a pp post it doesn’t sound like a blanket ban. At least there seems some nuance to it.

nothingsforgotten · 27/05/2024 23:50

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 27/05/2024 23:35

I guess it comes down to whether you think that people with autism can be contributors to society.

Imo diversity is a good thing. And ND people contribute in many amazing ways.

From a pp post it doesn’t sound like a blanket ban. At least there seems some nuance to it.

I didn't say that people with autism can't be contributors to society, of course they can.

However, what I will do is defend the right of any country to pick and choose who they allow to immigrate. It's rather arrogant to think, as some posters on this thread appear to do, that people can just move to wherever they want to live, no questions asked. A country's primary consideration should be their own citizens, not any random wanting to move there from another country.

Ciderlout · 27/05/2024 23:50

MumblesParty · 27/05/2024 21:47

This surprises me, because as a UK GP I have seen many many immigrants over the years from various EU and non-EU countries, coming in and staying here. In fact, just last week a polish woman who has lived in the UK for about 5 years brought over her elderly parents to live with her, who have significant ongoing medical problems and disabilities. The first thing they did was make an appointment with me to be referred to multiple different specialists , all on the NHS. Then they needed a letter from me to support their PIP applications.

This is what boils people’s piss here. Can’t get a Dr/dentist appointment, so many people living in housing that’s cockroaches would turn their nose up at, yet money can be found for extended family members of foreign citizens, who will cost money as you describe. This is reason people voted for Brexit.

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 27/05/2024 23:57

Bananabreadandstrawberries · 27/05/2024 18:00

They don’t need every doctor who applies.

These doctors had already been working there. Their subsequent child had asd. Then visa extension denied as a result.

BruFord · 27/05/2024 23:57

@Pinkfluffypencilcase This is purely my personal opinion, but for a non-medical person like me, the autism spectrum has become confusing in recent years. It seems such a huge span, from highly intelligent people who need little support to people who need lifelong care.

The “label” alone gives no indication of where someone is on the spectrum, iyswim.

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 28/05/2024 00:01

Agree @BruFord

Think the current threshold had been raised for school age children. Likely to conserve resources.

echt · 28/05/2024 00:04

Just to add to this, when my late DH and I applied for permanent residency in Australia, we had to have a full medical, and X-rays. Oddly, one of the tests was seeing how far you could bend over, touch-your-toes style - they didn't want bad backs. Bear in mind we were in our mid-50s by then.

The whole set-up was a big queue of people snaking their way through the various tests and examinations.

35mph · 28/05/2024 00:19

"This is what boils people’s piss here. Can’t get a Dr/dentist appointment, so many people living in housing that’s cockroaches would turn their nose up at, yet money can be found for extended family members of foreign citizens, who will cost money as you describe. This is reason people voted for Brexit"

I feel my heckles ought to rise at this post. But no. They don't. They don't because I'm currently living it.

siameselife · 28/05/2024 00:27

Oddly, one of the tests was seeing how far you could bend over, touch-your-toes style - they didn't want bad backs.

We had a USA green card medical last year and had to do this.

Bubblesoffun · 28/05/2024 00:30

Waffle78 · 27/05/2024 18:24

Yep the Aborigines get treated appallingly. I know missing aborigine children don't get the same attention as white Australian children. The white Australians descend from immigrants themselves.

Indigenous or First Nations Peoples. Before starting on us I suggest that you learn the proper language.

DifficultBloodyWoman · 28/05/2024 00:47

Bubblesoffun · 28/05/2024 00:30

Indigenous or First Nations Peoples. Before starting on us I suggest that you learn the proper language.

No.

The most used, and most accepted term is Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander.

It is also appropriate to use group names to describe individuals such as ‘a Ngunnawal woman’ or ‘a Gadigalan.

Aborigine is consider racist.

First Nations is only occasionally used in Australia. It is a US import.

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