Can you really not move to Australia with Autism?

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Just that really.

I follow a midwife on there from the UK. She is open and honest, and is paid so much better with amazing working conditions. That's just one example of a profession

Is it really true families who have someone who's autistic cannot move out there or is it far more complex than that?

This is just out of interest.

I have family in NZ and know they're quite strict there

At the end of the day, Australia has selective immigration criteria. Selection is always discriminatory - you choose certain criteria and people over other people.

Australia wants healthy, young people in certain professions, so their selection criteria discriminate against people over 45, the disabled etc.

Discrimination = the process of making unfair or prejudicial distinctions between people. Totally unfair that my 65 year old nan can't emigrate to Australia although she's fit and still working part-time (just as fictional example).

All selection is unfair in some way.

It's quite difficult to go to Australia whatever your health condition.

That is likely a no in that case.

So this is where it gets blurred. My husband - also diagnosed - is a significant earner (top 2%) was offered a job there and passed all immigration aspects. We were set to go but child proved to be the barrier.

It's common sense. Countries have a duty to look after their own citizens first and make sure their needs are met. Otherwise resources are spread too thinly and nobodys needs are met.

It discriminates against the whole family of disabled person. Bars them all from moving because of something they can’t help

It's not designed to discriminate it's designed to protect the citizens already there paying tax and to protect services and actually it does make sense however that's not to say the system can't be improved to find ways to more inclusive.

I thought all countries discriminated when it came to immigration policies. It isn’t as if they are trying to be inclusive.

So what?
The Australian govt has no duty towards people in other countries, they are a sovereign country & make their own laws.

It’s not bashing autism at all, it’s discussing Australia’s immigration rules.

Because the less ‘of use’ a society deems someone based on characteristics they are born with means that they become increasingly vulnerable and the society becomes more open to hideous things like hiding those people away in abusive ‘homes’ or even things like euthanasia like what happened during the holocaust.

I'm Canadian.

Do you have any idea how long wait-list are here for mental health support?

My friends kids are on a 6 year wait-list for youth autism support for under 18's. They will be 18 in 6 years.

My ds has other mental health struggles ptsd and getting help took years. And even then Sick Kids hospital eventually ran out of support for us after we were with them for 5 years.

Our system is brutal. Some kids never receive help.

In my son's school there is one support worker for the entire school.

But when it comes to moving to a different country what do you think the rules should be?

Of their were no rules the systems set up there would collapse. I'm in Canada. Most of my friends don't even have a family doctor.

One of my friends just paid $20,000 for surgery for endometriosis in another country because wait lists here are insane. She had already waited two years, had previous surgery for it years before, and couldn't function anymore.

Everyone can't just move where they want.

The reality is if people will require public resources that cost money then of course the country will consider that. Why wouldn't they?

It’s not autism bashing. I’m autistic too btw, I don’t have a problem with this thread. I can completely understand why Australia has this policy and the need for it.

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There’s some strange entitlement at play here. No one is entitled to move to Aus. You either meet the criteria or you don’t - it’s not difficult. Australia are selective in handing out visas, they want people who will be a net positive to the country (economically speaking). And so the elderly/disabled/poor aren’t going to be top candidates for them. They have their own elderly/disabled/poor to consider.

Given that MN is so hot on boats appearing across the channel, I’d have thought another country regulating entry wouldn’t have been a strange notion?

We’re not near Aus on this, mn threads show how far, except of course there is a skew

Although this thread has a different tone ie accept it or not it’s up to the country

Electorally we’re pretty far from Aus policies and general sentiment

HI have a feign with HIV. He was denied a PR visa to Australia based on this (about 10 years ago).
I agree with any country having the right to deny a visa if it is their best financial interest. It’s harsh but practical.

*friend

So... would I as a sought after professional with an impeccable sick record, having been in full employment since graduation, with diagnosed Neurodiversity be barred from emigration ? Not planning on it... just curious !

This has a whiff of eugenics.

And for anyone refusing to believe that autistic people cannot benefit society suggest you take a read of this recently published government report : what can be done to employ more autistic people and why it is so beneficial.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-buckland-review-of-autism-employment-report-and-recommendations/the-buckland-review-of-autism-employment-report-and-recommendations