Loving Sarah Vine on This Morning -Ozempic

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She said we live in an obesogenic society and need to be realistic about the need for weight loss drugs like ozempic. She also said we are genetically programmed to eat as much as possible when we can as our ancestors didn’t know when the next wilderbeast would come along. Now we can just sit in our house and deliveroo will bring us food.
Completely agree with all of the above. I am currently working very hard and managing to lose weight without the help of drugs, so I do also ‘get’ the personal responsibility side to this. I just think as a society we are fighting a losing battle if we don’t embrace the new wave of weight loss drugs. Hopefully in time there will be more studies into long term use.

@bonzaitree I’ve asked this elsewhere but do you think many/some feel as you do on the drug without it, no ‘noise’? Doesn’t everyone have this struggle?

I dont think its universal no. I spent some time on these drugs and I was amazed, I felt 'normal', like someone who just eats, enjoys it, has enough, knows they have had enough and finishes. Doesnt scoff and scoff and scoff and fixated on the next meal, next snack, next nibble. Plus I was actually liking and enjoying something like an apple as a snack, somethjing that would have left me so cold (physically), it changed for me how much I wanted and what type of food I wanted.

Yup boots online pharmacy but there are other places. They will only prescribe if you’re over a certain bmi though and if you have other health conditions you might not be eligible.

It does several things. It gives the brain the signal of being full so stops eating. It also slows stomach emptying and “digestive transit”. It also lowers blood sugar.

There is some evidence to say that Mounjaro helps reducing insulin resistance in the body which aids weight loss.

So as well as appetite suppression, loss of cravings and feeling full quickly, it also helps you to lose weight by helping to fix metabolic conditions your body has.

@soupfiend I find it amazing anyone can have a ‘take it or leave it’ attitude to food.

This article is about GLP drugs reducing heart attack risk.

I wonder if ‘food noise’ is greater for those whose ancestors endured the Irish famines & similar, epigenetics?

I think if you eat in company, round a table with conversation you allow the time, 20 minutes, for food to get to your stomach and send the "I'm full" or at least sated, to 80%, always leave the table wanting a bit more.

Changing your emotional connection to food, enjoying your meals, have a drop of wine, bottle of water on the table, bread basket, olives and turn off screens and talk use your eating as the hub of your household. Sit at a table.

Smaller portions, slower more enjoyable eating, food can be cheap, healthy, tasty and simple.

There was that great book a while back
"Eat less mostly plants"

A lot of the modern world takes out the joy of food. And it should be a joy, we all have to eat every day. It shouldn't be a battle with yourself mainly.

You can choose not to buy the UPF crap you shovel in and don't ever feel full, I love a pot noodle, but I don't buy them regularly (3 times a year when I know I have a lunch alone can only be bothered to boil a kettle and savour every enumber processed bite). The human body is incredibly good at getting rid of toxins provided you don't overload it.

Getting into a situation when you can solve mindless eating with an injection is insane. There is so much more to our connection and emotions to food than BMI.

I’m taking a weight loss drug

It has been the best decision I have made (after research and very careful consideration and discussing with my gp) in a long time I no longer absolutely obsess about food (trauma related) I not longer feel so exhausted, I have lost 10lbs and feel so much better

if people think that is cheating well so be it they do not walk in my shoes and I am feeling so much better, better physically and mentally than I have for years

I mean there literally are. Because no drug would get FDA or NICE approval without extensive studies, that's why new drugs are so expensive. And who else is going to pay for the £1 billion plus that it takes to get a new drug to market but the pharmacy companies?

My husband doesn’t suffer. He can switch his eating on and off so easily. We both work out together etc. When he’s in the zone he just chooses foods that align with his goal. A couple of years back he was told he has a high level of ALT (liver enzyme) turns out it runs in his family. He just stopped drinking alcohol, got back into fitness (young children had knocked us out of routine and into bad habits) and stoped eating junk. Like someone flicked a switch. I am actually embarrassed to binge on junk around him. I couldn’t tell you the last time he drank. Never raids the cupboard.

What's more annoying is I positively facilitate this, I cook the high protein m, nutritious meals, buy the berries and natural yogurt. I eat the bloody same I just binge inbetween. He can’t understand why I crave and get the urge.

@User2460177 read all of it. Or read the post up thread from @Choux . It’s a study, not an article, and it mentions findings which indicate reduced risk in some patients, and potential increased risk in others

@ZestofCoffee most are like you, me included. Is this ‘greed’ though? I can’t imagine not wanting something delicious at times or being like you husband. Is he in the minority or are we?

@User14March probably diet culture making us view it as greed. Which leads to shame and makes it a vicious circle.

I am not sure the food chatter is universal

the thought of not having access to food makes me feel panicky, I always have a few dry crackers in my bag just in case (who goes clubbing with penguins/blue ribbon bars in their little handbag)

the food doesn’t have to be enjoyable it just had to be edible (and I am quite fussy this is around texture of food)

I don’t particularly binge eat but I do comfort eat I know the reasons why I am aware of them had countless hours of therapy around this.

To have this noise switched off it’s just amazing for me it makes me want to cry with happiness

Ha yes. If we re-labelled it as 'desire' it would all be very post-modern and wonderful.

I have no idea the relevance of these questions?

Great question and it’s something I’ve always wondered too.

If it was a miracle drug that does something biologically to the body then that would be amazing but I’m not sure how effective it is if it just reduces hunger signals.

Most people aren’t overweight because they’re hungry, they just think they are or they’re emotional eaters (like myself).

I’d like to see the successes after 6months + of coming off of it.

I think anything that helps with weight loss (or stopping smoking etc) should be encouraged but I do wonder if these should be given alongside some sort of therapy and/or nutritional advice, else many people will end up putting the weight straight back on once they come off of it.

@DownWithThisKindOfThing I find it fascinating that some (?) most (?) don’t have any desire to snack, have no ‘food noise’ & are easily saitiated. Really amazing a drug can do all these weight loss drugs can. As to Mounjaro had heard stocks out/low.

You have to make a lifestyle change as well. I’ve determined I’m basically an addict. Used to be alcohol, replaced by food. I’m going to use the time on MJ to work on my addictive behaviours. And I’m not sure the worry about regaining is a reason not to try and lose it in the first place.

obviously preventing obesity is the best option but that ship has sailed for me and I am where I am.

I think a magic pill which causes weight loss sounds amazing. I wouldn’t take ozempic because there aren’t enough long-term studies yet. I’m particularly concerned about the impacts on fertility and potential foetal abnormalities.

Ah ok. I don’t know really, back in my thin days I never thought about food at all really. i ate when i was hungry yes I would eat a bar of chocolate or crisps. But I wouldn’t crave any more.

As for shortages the UK supply seems
ok when I’ve been buying

I don't have food noise. At all. It's absolutely not universal.

In my thin days (up to early 40’s) I still constantly thought about food and ate loads without gaining weight it wasn’t noticeable so I wasn’t aware or it didn’t matter to me I thought I just had a large appetite