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I know, why don't we send them all to Rwanda?

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Weighnow · 23/04/2024 07:48

Does anyone else think this sounds like a suggestion someone made as a joke, to liven up a dull or fraught meeting and somehow, someone decided to run with it?

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IClaudine · 23/04/2024 14:24

@MumblesParty

How many people could be sent to Rwanda?
Announcing the policy in April 2022, then Prime Minister Boris Johnson said
“Rwanda will have the capacity to resettle tens of thousands of people in the
years ahead”.

The then Deputy Prime Minister later said that the number of people relocated
to Rwanda each year was more likely to be in the hundreds.

This corresponds with reported indications from the Rwandan Government that it can process 1,000 people over five years.

The Home Office has said that Rwanda has initial capacity for 200 people but
plans to increase that once flights begin.

Weighnow · 23/04/2024 14:27

EasternStandard · 23/04/2024 14:19

Can you give an example of the criteria you would change?

I think we accept higher proportion so that could change but I don’t think you can change the criteria to the extent that it will reduce numbers substantially

But what kind of thing are you thinking of?

Edited

The level of risk they're facing in their home countries to be approved for asylum. All a bit rubbish, but it is true we can't take everyone who meets the current criteria. The world is a horrible place 😪

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Soigneur · 23/04/2024 14:29

Geebray · 23/04/2024 12:59

No 4 has it.

As for language - seriously - you must be a British colonialist if you think that English is spoken in most countries of Africa or the Middle East! I would say that mostly it's French.

I’m sorry you weren’t able to understand my post, perhaps it wasn’t clear enough for you.

I’ll try again:
English is a driving factor as many people have at least a smattering of English, either due to colonial ties or due to consumption of English-language media as English is the most widely spoke language in the world. Those with colonial ties to France and Belgium, for example from North Africa, parts of Central Africa, and the Francophone parts of the Carribean and Pacific generally head towards France and Belgium.

is that clearer?

NoisySnail · 23/04/2024 14:30

We are spending £1.2 million per refugee to send people to Rwanda.

patchworkpal · 23/04/2024 14:31

NoisySnail · 23/04/2024 14:30

We are spending £1.2 million per refugee to send people to Rwanda.

How much would it cost if they stayed here?

NoisySnail · 23/04/2024 14:34

patchworkpal · 23/04/2024 14:31

How much would it cost if they stayed here?

£21,479 per person per year until they are granted refugee status and then they will work,

LessonsinChemistryandLove · 23/04/2024 14:34

patchworkpal · 23/04/2024 14:31

How much would it cost if they stayed here?

A lot less or at least as much of the average person in the UK. For a start, they could work in the many jobs currently available, pay taxes and contribute to society.

patchworkpal · 23/04/2024 14:35

NoisySnail · 23/04/2024 14:34

£21,479 per person per year until they are granted refugee status and then they will work,

Well then.

What a waste of money

EasternStandard · 23/04/2024 14:36

Weighnow · 23/04/2024 14:27

The level of risk they're facing in their home countries to be approved for asylum. All a bit rubbish, but it is true we can't take everyone who meets the current criteria. The world is a horrible place 😪

One issue is traffickers are very good at understanding what meets criteria and giving this information so you tend to have a greater surge in criteria that is a yes

As for cost in pp the number of applicants is in relation to ease

The easier it is the more people who will apply

The harder the fewer - Albania is a good example

L1ttledrummergirl · 23/04/2024 14:36

Geebray · 23/04/2024 12:59

No 4 has it.

As for language - seriously - you must be a British colonialist if you think that English is spoken in most countries of Africa or the Middle East! I would say that mostly it's French.

Bollocks. Lack of ID cards doesn't mean you don't have to prove you have a right to work here.

The issue comes when people exploit the desperate by employing them illegally. They should be targeted and locked up in my opinion.

I spend a fair chunk of my working life ensuring companies are not breaking the law, and that those that do face consequences. Modern slavery is still a thing, but demonising desperate people rather than those who exploit them (like the Rwandan government for accepting this deal) is abhorrent.

Kinshipug · 23/04/2024 14:37

patchworkpal · 23/04/2024 14:35

Well then.

What a waste of money

It's not a waste of money considering the aim was only to make headlines attractive to a certain voter base. Evidently it is working.

GoonieGang · 23/04/2024 14:38

NoisySnail · 23/04/2024 14:30

We are spending £1.2 million per refugee to send people to Rwanda.

We currently spend around 6 million a day on hotel bills. Rwanda is a safe country for those immigrants that are actually fleeing persecution

patchworkpal · 23/04/2024 14:39

Kinshipug · 23/04/2024 14:37

It's not a waste of money considering the aim was only to make headlines attractive to a certain voter base. Evidently it is working.

It's a bit expensive and involves treating humans like an object to be sold on. So I think there were better ways

patchworkpal · 23/04/2024 14:40

GoonieGang · 23/04/2024 14:38

We currently spend around 6 million a day on hotel bills. Rwanda is a safe country for those immigrants that are actually fleeing persecution

Keeping hotels in business.

Kinshipug · 23/04/2024 14:41

patchworkpal · 23/04/2024 14:39

It's a bit expensive and involves treating humans like an object to be sold on. So I think there were better ways

Right, but that is the goal.
Personally I think it's abhorrent, but it's doing what it is designed to do IMO.

NoisySnail · 23/04/2024 14:43

GoonieGang · 23/04/2024 14:38

We currently spend around 6 million a day on hotel bills. Rwanda is a safe country for those immigrants that are actually fleeing persecution

Saying in Parliament that Rwanda is safe does not make it safe. LGBT people for example are routinely persecuted.
We spend £21, 479 per person per year. Far less than £1.2 million per person.

The £6 million includes money spent on housing people from Afghanistan. They would never have been sent to Rwanda.
https://fullfact.org/immigration/lee-anderson-asylum-seeker-hotel-costs/

patchworkpal · 23/04/2024 14:43

Kinshipug · 23/04/2024 14:41

Right, but that is the goal.
Personally I think it's abhorrent, but it's doing what it is designed to do IMO.

Yeah makes sense. He's on the TV now pledging money to Ukraine but I note not 1.2 million

EasternStandard · 23/04/2024 14:44

Kinshipug · 23/04/2024 14:41

Right, but that is the goal.
Personally I think it's abhorrent, but it's doing what it is designed to do IMO.

Are you ok with the burgeoning trafficking trade though?

It is a huge business which yes can be accepted, plus higher numbers - it is an option, but it will grow

I’m not sure people will go for it when safe routes, ID cards or whatever is shown to be implausible / ineffective

NoisySnail · 23/04/2024 14:45

The government have been told what will be effective. They are not interested. The aim is to buy votes.

Kinshipug · 23/04/2024 14:46

EasternStandard · 23/04/2024 14:44

Are you ok with the burgeoning trafficking trade though?

It is a huge business which yes can be accepted, plus higher numbers - it is an option, but it will grow

I’m not sure people will go for it when safe routes, ID cards or whatever is shown to be implausible / ineffective

Of course I'm not. I can well think that more than one thing is immoral.

EasternStandard · 23/04/2024 14:46

NoisySnail · 23/04/2024 14:45

The government have been told what will be effective. They are not interested. The aim is to buy votes.

What would be effective?

EasternStandard · 23/04/2024 14:47

Kinshipug · 23/04/2024 14:46

Of course I'm not. I can well think that more than one thing is immoral.

So what’s your preferred approach?

It’s either trafficking or deterrent

Safe routes won’t meet the demand

Woohow · 23/04/2024 14:49

NoisySnail · 23/04/2024 14:34

£21,479 per person per year until they are granted refugee status and then they will work,

And does that take more or less than 55 years?

MumblesParty · 23/04/2024 14:50

Woohow · 23/04/2024 14:12

Allow them to support themselves and pay tax which would pay for more GPs, hospitals, houses and subsidise childcare.

@Woohow living where? And tell me about these jobs for unskilled non-English speakers which pay enough to a) live on and b) be enough to be taxable.

Weighnow · 23/04/2024 14:50

GoonieGang · 23/04/2024 14:38

We currently spend around 6 million a day on hotel bills. Rwanda is a safe country for those immigrants that are actually fleeing persecution

The hotel/hostel bills aren't going to go away though. The Rwandan solution will take 200 people at most.

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