I know, why don't we send them all to Rwanda?

[Weighnow]

Does anyone else think this sounds like a suggestion someone made as a joke, to liven up a dull or fraught meeting and somehow, someone decided to run with it?

I thought we’d see what we are seeing a year or so ago and now the June EU elections prediction looks in line with that. Having thought it would be the case I don’t feel surprised

I think people are unaware of climate impact on migration, just going by these threads and it’s going to be difficult

As I said I looked into it to decide whether to spend on passports and having read generally what’s going on I’m very glad to have them

By that standard, most countries could not host an LGBT asylum seeker. Though most asylum seekers have views on gay people you would find absolutely abhorrent (and in reality is making your country more hostile to gay people. Oh the irony)

I would assume most LGBT refugees wouldn't claim asylum in such countries.

With the Rwanda plan they have no choice if deported.

Any comments about the Supreme Court ruling?

It’s is not illegal to be gay in Rwanda, it seems. What they will face is some social discrimination (which is the global norm).

But even this would be better than a country like Iran where you could be executed by the government for your sexual orientation. I have to say I don’t care if they are sent to Rwanda (even though they won’t be, lol) because the discrimination is rather random, ie not government directed.

I guess if you are in favour of this Rwanda plan, than it doesn't matter to you who is being sent there, Afghans who fought alongside British troops, victims of human trafficking and so on.

You mentioned Australia as one of the other countries that does this.

What are the other ones?

A good point, this isn't the same as Australia, for many reasons, but not least that we've agreed to take the most vulnerable refugees from Rwanda. Those whose medical & mental health needs can't be met in Rwanda, who chose Rwanda to seek asylum, will be shipped here.

We're paying a fortune to ship cheap labour to Rwanda in return for taking in their sick.

It's a ludicrously expensive PR excercise to attract the racist vote. It makes no sense otherwise, even Sunak wanted it binned when he was chancellor.

A lot of emotional appeal in this sentence. But asylum seeking was never supposed to be extended to things like ‘human trafficking victims’ (why wouldn’t they just return to their country of origin?) or climate refugees.

Honestly, more people would be sympathetic to taking in refugees if you appeared to have irregular entries under control and a system for deporting those who commit crimes, as well as being sensitive to the particular vulnerabilities faced by local women and girls (ie preferential selection of women, young children and the elderly before young men).

But you do not.

But you do not.

Who do you mean wiith 'You'?

Anyone actually interested in the logistics of the Rwanda plan, some very interesting comments coming out of Botswana re a similar proposal there.

I've come to the conclusion that to converse with eastern you have to be realistic about certain limitations to the depth of conversation that is possible. "Trends" and black and white statements is as far as they can go.

Oh no don’t converse with me.

Better all round

But you’re incorrect I’m not lashing out and keeping language fairly neutral but climate and migration will be as messy as anything. There’s no black and white incoming but volatility and conflict. See that brief BBC clip below for an indication

It will be a difficult time for many people. Hence being glad we have other options. Other people can ignore whatever they like it makes no odds to me.

Which "other options" do you have that you feel will insulate you from these issues?

Ironically, in March the Irish High Court ruled that the UK could not be regarded as a safe country to send asylum seekers to 😁

Why do you want to know?

We have dual citizenship and I’m glad my dc will do too. It’s not as if you can do the same unless you have family / visa etc

I think it's fair to say there's probably quite a bit of hypocrisy among the people who like to see themselves as more empathetic than the racist plebs who think maybe something could be done to deter people arriving on the south coast in boats. As you can see if you look over in New York, and how opinions suddenly completely changed when those people were personally affected.

We've all got two passports too. What's so special about yours? Odd to keep bringing it up if you don't want to talk about it. Where in the world is insulated from these issues?

Because it makes no odds to me what you think, I’m happy to have it. Actually for my dc to have the choice

Odd to keep bringing it up if you don't want to talk about it

tbf it’s also just general tone and what’s the point, another poster or thread I’d probably share

Good for you on passports though no real interest on where

Yeah, Eastern can go back to Aus where they have this immigration thing cracked.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/money/article-13317021/Australia-100000-immigration-milestone-housing-cris.html

I thought you were not conversing with me?

Thanks for the DM link though. It’s not really doing as you wish

I think its proving that Aus in no way have their immigration under control.
I know that literally "stop the boats!" Has worked somewhat but it hasn't achieved any outcome in terms of reducing migration.

Well that was the shortest ‘there’s no point in conversing’ I’ve seen, what happened there? Can we revert to it?

But it doesn’t worry me, if there’s one thing Aus are motivated on it’s border control

Even with a Labor gov it comes up a fair bit and the electorate vote in a bipartisan way

Anyway it doesn’t matter what you and or anyone thinks does it? it’s not a citizenship for everyone. No one has to feel the same, I’m glad though for my dc

Eastern doesn't converse. To hold a real conversation you have to listen as well as speak. It's also helpful to not think you know all the answers and are 100% correct 100% of the time. In order to truly converse you have to be open to the possibility that you can be wrong.

Ooh another one. Feel free to not quote me ever

I mean I know you’re just ‘talking about me’ which is weird tbh

Too much of your headspace there.

I do find it funny when posters go on about never conversing then there they are

Also going by the angry reactions from a few I’m pretty sure they are convinced of how right they are 🤷‍♀️