I know, why don't we send them all to Rwanda?

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Does anyone else think this sounds like a suggestion someone made as a joke, to liven up a dull or fraught meeting and somehow, someone decided to run with it?

Have you actually read the plan? Or are you making it up in your head?

"Either the UK, if their claim is accepted, or their country of origin.

It's not terribly complicated."

"If their asylum claim is accepted - they come to the UK. "

No.

There is no means for them to come to the UK.

We are shipping people to Rwanda for good.

(Well supposedly for good but if you've read about the Israeli scheme it's clear many will do their best to escape).

Actually its incorrect. Most other countries are sending asylum seekers to other countries for processing only. We are the only country sending people to Rwanda permanently. Once their claims are processed, they will never be able to come to the UK> That is what is not being made clear to the public

And it is why asylum seekers from Rwanda are excluded from the scheme.

Do they don't. That's the whole point of the scheme.

If their claim is successful they will be granted asylum in Rwanda. Yes, Rwanda does want to accept them, up to max 200 of them, for payment of £1.4m each....dear

Not the only country. Australia use the system

Processing offshore won’t impact numbers in any case.

It will be used by other countries but it won’t lower numbers

To add the migration issue which is driving political shift in a fair few countries (EU esp) will continue as off shoring processing doesn’t actually resolve trafficking

Australia processes people off shore then allows them to Aus if they are successful. That is not the Rwanda plan. If they are successful - they stay in Rwanda. They are not coming back to the UK ever.

And you don't appear to have grasped any of the details 🤣

Are you sure about that?

“No Way”. “The message is simple, if you come to Australia illegally by boat, there is no way you will ever make Australia home,” he says.

“If you travel by boat without a visa you will not make Australia home,” Campbell says. “The rules apply to everyone: families, children, unaccompanied children, educated and skilled. There are no exceptions. Do not believe the lies of people smugglers. These people will steal your money and place your life and the life your family at risk for nothing.”

This is a few years back but they still have ‘operation sovereign borders’ in place, even with Labor

They're tough on this

From 2016 -

"More than three-quarters (77%) of those forcibly sent by Australia to Nauru whose asylum claims have been assessed have been found to be refugees. They have a “well-founded fear of persecution” and are legally owed protection. But no refugees will be resettled permanently on Nauru. The island’s government has avowedly refused to let anyone stay longer than five years. Other places will need to be found. So far the Australian government has found only one other country willing to take part in this state-sponsored “country shopping”: Cambodia. At a cost of more than $40m, it has managed to resettle one person. A single Rohingyan man."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/10/a-short-history-of-nauru-australias-dumping-ground-for-refugees

I believe the US has taken some refugees from Nauru.

Oh dear, dear. You have it all arse backwards.

The asylum arrangement allows the UK to send people to Rwanda who would otherwise claim asylum in the UK and/or have made irregular journeys to the UK. Rwanda will either grant them asylum or permanent residence. They cannot apply for return to the UK but the UK can decide to request that someone be returned.

To be fair it isn't terribly complicated. Which is why I'm not sure how you can be so wrong.

Interesting to note the wording I posted above, btw. The Rwanda plan could apply to any asylum seeker, not just those who arrive in small boats.

Eta: no, I am wrong! The and/or part confused me for a moment!

@AStepAtaTime are those figures per capita of existing population, or per square km of land? Because as straight figures they're pretty meaningless.

Please OP tell us what you would do? Because the UK can't support all the people who come here.
Every day MN is full of posts about people who can't get GP appointments, can't get hospital appointments, can't get housing, can't afford childcare so are stuck in poverty.

And don't say "the government need to stop spending public money on their friends" because we all know that'll never happen.

The lifeboat is full. If more people climb in it'll sink and we'll all drown.

This policy is so stupid and really plays to a certain section of the country’s ignorance and discrimination on the topic. The whole process with cost over a million £ per person and will have very little impact on the numbers of illegal migrants.

If anyone has ever tried to access the immigration system in this country, you will no how woefully unimpressive it is. The claims take waaayyy to long and often people are left unable to work or access public funds for years, and that’s if you came here using the right channels. So much money is wasted inadvertently supporting families who, if the claim was just bloody processed, would be working and contributing to society!

Then you have those who eventually have their claim rejected and they just appeal, 1000 times, with no efforts made to deport them. Even when they know where they are and what crimes they’ve committed etc.

You also have those you have come here illegally because THERE IS NO LEGAL ROUTE, the incompetent system forces those people to go underground and hide because you’ll probably get by better, than trying to make a claim. There are literally 1000s of people in this country with no proper papers, who are just getting on with their lives.

This policy will not achieve anything more than chants of ‘tough on migrants’ without actually thinking about what this means in practice. A better and robust immigration system would have a far greater impact but that is just too much work for this shitty government who would rather ramp up nonsense hatred and make sure Reform don’t take too many of their votes. It’s so frustrating that so many people are falling for this absolute crap!

And for those asking why come to England, Britain colonised most of the world at one point, lots of places still have our royal family as head of state. Most countries speak English in significant enough numbers and many would have family and friends already here. If your fleeing persecution, why would you not go to the place were you feel most affiliated too.

Allow them to support themselves and pay tax which would pay for more GPs, hospitals, houses and subsidise childcare.

Yes it would. I quite fancy a break in Rwanda 😬

I'd deal with the applications much more quickly and I'd probably have a look at the criteria, so it's harder to be successful because you're right we (no one) can't take everyone who would qualify under current cirteria.

But this policy cannot possibly help, other than as a vote winner amoung people who haven't read beyond the headlines. If it succeeds, if every single person it's been agreed Rwanda will take, goes, it will be 200 people. Which hardly puts a dent in the numbers and is so small it can't work as a deterent either becuase the "risk" of being one of the 200 is so small it will still be worth coming.

You don't think this policy involves and contracts for government friends?

@MumblesParty what difference do you think the Rwanda plan will make to the terrible state of services in the UK?

You do realise the number of refugees the government is hoping to send there is very small. Did you think Rwanda,was going to take every refugee that arrives in a small boat?

Why do you think asylum seekers are the reason for these problems?

Can you give an example of the criteria you would change?

I think we accept higher proportion so that could change but I don’t think you can change the criteria to the extent that it will reduce numbers substantially

But what kind of thing are you thinking of?

Thank you very much

It's a bit like.. here we "rescued" these people do you want to buy them from us like some sort of resource. These are HUMANS