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I know, why don't we send them all to Rwanda?

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Weighnow · 23/04/2024 07:48

Does anyone else think this sounds like a suggestion someone made as a joke, to liven up a dull or fraught meeting and somehow, someone decided to run with it?

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IClaudine · 23/04/2024 10:46

speedtalker · 23/04/2024 09:37

we went to Rwanda on honeymoon. It’s an absolutely beautiful country, and we trekked into the jungle to see gorillas.

I don’t agree with the policy but dislike this sneering at the nation like it’s third world. It’s very much developing.

No one is sneering. But the people who are sent to Rwanda are not likely to be going on lovely gorilla treks, are they?

EasternStandard · 23/04/2024 10:47

Weighnow · 23/04/2024 10:36

Hasn't the Australian policy also been deemed illegal and they're currently having to resettle the few (less than 100) migrants in PNG in Australia and New Zealand?

Illegal or not, the numbers are so tiny, it makes no difference except in the headlines and the costs are huge.

The numbers in Aus are tiny due to policies

Whether people want that kind of outcome well it’s up to them, but there’s no other way eg safe routes, processing or gang related that would get to the numbers Aus have

RafaistheKingofClay · 23/04/2024 10:48

Weighnow · 23/04/2024 10:42

No, it's exactly like the sickness absence one. It's not intended to actually change anything, only to grab headlines and appeal to certain voters, who they see as not terribly bright. The level of disdain for voters is abhorrent.

In this case is was supposed to lead the front pages to take the heat off Boris and the release of the Sue Gray report. Or Pincher I can’t remember which scandal. Subsequent Home Secs and PMs have decided to run with it.

God knows what’s going to happen when people find out that not only has it not significantly decreased the number of asylum seekers already here but that small boat crossings are still rising.

Notonthestairs · 23/04/2024 10:51

"A bit cheeky as the UN itself has also sent migrants to Rwanda as part of its UNHCR resettlement programme."

This relates to refugees stuck in Libyan detention centres doesn't it?
Bit different in that they were given a choice whether to go or not.
A refugee centre in Tripoli was bombed so I guess Rwanda might look an attractive choice in those circumstances. Either way the offer to go to Rwanda was for temporary safety whilst their applications were processed elsewhere.

IClaudine · 23/04/2024 10:52

Moonmelodies · 23/04/2024 10:40

A bit cheeky as the UN itself has also sent migrants to Rwanda as part of its UNHCR resettlement programme.

I think you are comparing apples with oranges. Is this forced resettlement?

help.unhcr.org/rwanda/services/resettlement_eng/#:~:text=Resettlement%20is%20the%20transfer%20from,residence%20(the%20Resettlement%20State).

PutOnYourRedShoesAndLetsDance · 23/04/2024 10:52

@lavenderlou
All who claim benefits? Does that include all the disabled people in the UK?
Or do you just mean the imigrants?
Please explain

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 23/04/2024 10:53

Others have tried and failed with this. Hasn't stopped UK Gov spending millions trying it again
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-61882542

Much like the Brexit bus, it doesn't have to be actually deliverable [or even legal] to win votes. You just have to talk the talk and find enough people who are gullible enough to believe this will a) fix the problem and b) make their lives better.

Mebrahtom Tesfamichael (L) and Bahabelom Mengesha

What happened when Israel sent its refugees to Rwanda

As the UK presses on with its asylum deal, refugees sent from Israel to Rwanda describe their experiences.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-61882542

patchworkpal · 23/04/2024 10:54

RafaistheKingofClay · 23/04/2024 10:22

I think it’s more the vast sums of money we’ve paid them for taking no people that they want. They are under no obligation to keep the people. They can probably leave to make their way back to the U.K. as soon as they get there.

That seems very tricky. Perhaps Rwanda could offer to help them back?

patchworkpal · 23/04/2024 10:55

Soigneur · 23/04/2024 10:24

It’s allowed because parliament passed a law saying it’s allowed. That’s how laws work.

Yeah I'm going to see if I can read the ruling somewhere.

RafaistheKingofClay · 23/04/2024 10:57

patchworkpal · 23/04/2024 10:54

That seems very tricky. Perhaps Rwanda could offer to help them back?

Good idea. Perhaps they could send them back as part of the exchange. Would prevent them having to make another small boat crossing.

patchworkpal · 23/04/2024 11:00

IClaudine · 23/04/2024 10:46

No one is sneering. But the people who are sent to Rwanda are not likely to be going on lovely gorilla treks, are they?

I would really like to know what the plan is when they are there. I mean we shove them on a prison barge.

maudelovesharold · 23/04/2024 11:01

I'm not actually in favour of it but its a policy used by countries such as Australia which has far more robust immigration rules than the UK

Ironic. Australia used to be our dumping ground for sheep rustlers and the like. The policy does feel like a massive step back to the brutal history of transportation as a punishment.

patchworkpal · 23/04/2024 11:01

RafaistheKingofClay · 23/04/2024 10:57

Good idea. Perhaps they could send them back as part of the exchange. Would prevent them having to make another small boat crossing.

Yes I wouldn't want it to be a case of people then try to leave Rwanda to get back here and then die in the crossing when they attempt it a SECOND time.

RafaistheKingofClay · 23/04/2024 11:01

I don’t think there is one. Kagame is just rinsing us for as much of our tax money as he can get.

patchworkpal · 23/04/2024 11:01

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 23/04/2024 10:53

Others have tried and failed with this. Hasn't stopped UK Gov spending millions trying it again
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-61882542

Much like the Brexit bus, it doesn't have to be actually deliverable [or even legal] to win votes. You just have to talk the talk and find enough people who are gullible enough to believe this will a) fix the problem and b) make their lives better.

Sobering reading

LakeTiticaca · 23/04/2024 11:04

Jojoanna · 23/04/2024 10:07

What is the answer to stopping the boats?

Speed up the process and put the brakes on the human rights lawyers and appeal gravy train that WE are paying for
If you are guilty of a serious crime thye are kicked out immediately after the sentence is completed. No appeals. Just out.

NasiDagang · 23/04/2024 11:04

lavenderlou · 23/04/2024 08:05

Maybe they can round up all the benefits claimants and ship them off too? Two birds, one stone

I think the entire Tory party should be shipped off to Rwanda especially Rishi Sunak!

RafaistheKingofClay · 23/04/2024 11:05

We have sent lots of Home Secretaries there but the fuckers keep coming back.

longtompot · 23/04/2024 11:09

If Rwanda is the lovely place that the government want us to believe, then how does that work as a deterrent to stop the boats?
Unless, of course, it's as awful for the immigrants when they get there as we are imagining, so they are just being sent there as a punishment which is why no sane person wants this to happen.

patchworkpal · 23/04/2024 11:11

NasiDagang · 23/04/2024 11:04

I think the entire Tory party should be shipped off to Rwanda especially Rishi Sunak!

It would be good if he could give us a tour

EasternStandard · 23/04/2024 11:12

maudelovesharold · 23/04/2024 11:01

I'm not actually in favour of it but its a policy used by countries such as Australia which has far more robust immigration rules than the UK

Ironic. Australia used to be our dumping ground for sheep rustlers and the like. The policy does feel like a massive step back to the brutal history of transportation as a punishment.

Australia used to be our dumping ground for sheep rustlers and the like

I think Australians have moved on since then and are pretty happy with their policies, hence they are now bipartisan and no party will shift on border control

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 23/04/2024 11:13

It’s just imitating what the German Government do. As they is in the EU, it must be a great idea, according to MN.

RafaistheKingofClay · 23/04/2024 11:16

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 23/04/2024 11:13

It’s just imitating what the German Government do. As they is in the EU, it must be a great idea, according to MN.

This myth refuses to die. Other countries may be considering sending asylum seekers abroad to process them. They then go back if they are accepted. This is not what the U.K. are suggesting at all. Which is why what others are doing is legal and what we are going to do is illegal.

Paperwhiteflowers · 23/04/2024 11:21

LakeTiticaca · 23/04/2024 09:29

What is the alternative for all these 1000s of young men in their 20s, unless nobody has noticed, we have a massive homeless problem already?

Homeless refugees are homeless because they aren’t allowed to work. Given the state of the economy and the government bleating about all the job availability, perhaps let asylum seekers work while they are waiting for their status to be settled.

DazedandConcerned · 23/04/2024 11:25

Interestingly, we aren’t the first European country to engage Rwanda for refugee resettlement.

Denmark passed the law in 2021 - I’m not sure how utilised the program has been but it is interesting that there was no as much backlash about the policy at that time. Or at least I don’t remember it.