I know, why don't we send them all to Rwanda?

[Weighnow]

Does anyone else think this sounds like a suggestion someone made as a joke, to liven up a dull or fraught meeting and somehow, someone decided to run with it?

Since when has this government paid any attention to the law? That's actually funny

Yes but is that what you want? To deport people back to their country

As your suggestion depends on it

What number is the demand? You keep stating this, but what is the number?

Well you're the one that keeps banging on about too many this and too many that it should make you happy that they will be deported if they don't meet the criteria for asylum, I personally am not bothered about numbers but that's how immigration works, there has to be a system

Yes and your system will wouldn’t comply with the law so it’s up to you if you want to break from the convention to do it

I’m probably in the middle when it comes to how many - some will think it’s too high others too low, fine by me

I still think stopping 90% of trafficking is problematic

So what numbers then?

GlennyRodge@GlennyRodge
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Apr 23
Rwanda Bill is probably just another one of Grant Shapps’ aliases.

I agree & struggle to understand how the views on Rwanda aren't called out for the racism they clearly display?!

The UK Supreme Court ruled Rwanda is not safe, the UK government advices against LGBT people travelling to Rwanda, the UK have granted asylum to Rwandans

Where are you seeing the UK govt advice re LGB travellers as that's not according to Gov.UK? I also can't see anything online to say it's anymore unsafe than the UK per se?! I think it's a beautiful country & seemed safe to me.

It’s the question that’s wrong

This

Take the recent case of a 40-year-old man from the Congo named Anicet Mayela. He came to the UK illegally, and was then helped by various anti-deportation campaigners. They succeeded in keeping him here. He then went on to rape a young girl. What about that girl's human rights? What about the rights of people whose communities have been turned upside down by mass immigration? What about the rights of people who feel their entire identity has been destroyed?

They have no compassion for working class British people. They pretend to care but then scream at them for being ‘racist’ for objecting to immigration (legal or otherwise) and then sneer at them for ‘voting against their own interests’ as if anyone had their best interests in mind EVER. When you won’t even protect young local girls because it might look racist (even though it wouldn’t be, it’s just simple enforcement of the law), then you really do have a real problem.

I don’t want to hear the word compassion from this crowd. I really don’t.

Not sure what America has to do with anything. It is a fact that the UK has recruited (and exploited in some instances) labour from all over the world for a long time. Most services in this country rely on immigration to function, particularly public services

You literally said ‘built on’ immigration. You’d have been fine without them, lmao. If anything, they depressed wages for NHS staff, salaries are worryingly low for a developed country.

And British men are relevant to the argument that immigrant men are more prone to sexual abuse or crimes in general. That is just not statistically true, what is true though is that all men inclined, go to other countries and commit crimes

If an immigrant, particularly an asylum seeker, commits a sexual crime in the UK, that is a crime that did not have to happen!

It happened because you valued a young man’s safety over the safety of women and girls in your own country. Young men with no roots are a disproportionate risk to us! This is so similar to gender critical arguments over men in women’s private spaces (rape almost never happens in the women’s bathroom = most asylum seekers won’t rape you!).

Why should we take on that kind of risk out of misplaced compassion?

A better immigration system will deal with those people, lock them up or deport them as necessary

You cannot even deport literal rapists. There is no credibility behind those words.

Rwanda policy will at best deal with 200 of those men, how does that deal with root issue?

It doesn’t, not really. The only deterrence would be swift removal when they are discovered to have entered irregularly. And pushing boats back to from where they departed could be a part of this too. Rwanda is really quite a side issue, nice if it happens but won’t solve the bigger issue.

Bearing in mind that most of them are not likely to be criminals and a fair few will probably be granted asylum status anyway

WHY would you ever grant asylum to a criminal? Unless they have committed some sort of political crime, which is what asylum was supposed to protect in the first place, not people seeking relief from economic misery or climate change.

The main problem with your argument is that young men from developing countries really do have poor attitudes towards women. You don’t think it a big deal to import that — but I DO.

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/rwanda/safety-and-security#:~:text=LGBT%2B%20travellers,more%20advice%20for%20LGBT%2B%20travellers.

Same-sex sexual activity is not illegal in Rwanda, but is frowned on by locals. LGBT+ travellers can experience discrimination and abuse, including from local authorities. There are no specific anti-discrimination laws that protect LGBT+ individuals in Rwanda. Read more advice for LGBT+ travellers.

And that for UK citizens holidaying, not living and working in Rwanda as a asylum seeker, hth

Most destinations outside of ‘the West’ have a section that reads similar. It is hardly limited to Rwanda. Tbh the fact it isn’t illegal is actually … quite progressive for the region.

Here’s the section on Egypt:
LGBT+ travellersSame-sex sexual activity is not explicitly criminalised in Egypt, but LGBT+ people have been prosecuted under the law of ‘debauchery’. People have been arrested for flying rainbow flags at public events on debauchery charges.There is little public acceptance of homosexuality in Egypt. Public expressions of homosexuality or displays of affection between same-sex couples are likely to get negative attention. See our information and advice page for the LGBT+ community before you travel.Be cautious about sharing content or having discussions of a sexual nature on social media, especially about sexual acts that are considered illegal. Some travellers have been arrested and imprisoned for this.

Now imagine you are an LGBT asylum seeker deported to Rwanda @Bridgetta

You could ofcourse do a Rishi, ignore the Courts of Law and declare Rwanda a safe country

If people want to look at general trends then googling climate migration shows a fair bit

Then there’s conflict which also displaces people, which climate pressure also creates

The issue is the number is not fixed and resolved by offering to a fixed amount unless the convention is scrapped. People may vote for this at some point but we’ll see

There could eventually be migration corridors (in articles if you google) but currently the shift politically for the EU and US, plus Aus do not appear to be heading in that direction. It could change long term but short term I’d say voters will go in the opposite direction

Why do you keep parroting this point about "trends"? You're don't actually seem capable of forming your own coherent argument or thoughts.
Following trends and copying the US is largely why the world is in this mess in the first place. Political shift is not actually a good basis for success or morality, not sure why you'd think it is given the current state of the world.

I didn’t realise reading articles on what is likely in the next decade was so provocative

No one has to but it’s not going to alter much just not looking at anything, these things are still just as likely

There are resources out there, read or not I don’t really care 🤷‍♀️

It became more relevant to us as we have passport options. It’s more for my dc as they get older

It’s up to people what they engage with but on reading up it made the decision easier

After the 50th repetition of the same point, perhaps you could add some independent thought to the discussion. You know it's not compulsory to agree with all trends and predictions right? You are allowed to use your own brain.

It is my thinking, it just happens to be informed by others who’ve looked at in more detail than I can

It’s pretty much how people learn about stuff

You do you though

Do you blindly agree with all political trends? That's how you end up with President Trump type nonsense, or a global climate crisis, or war after war after war. Foolish to assume politics and the media has anyone interests but their own at heart, don't be a sheep, they will lead us all to slaughter.
The idea is to form your own opinions on a topic, rather that only read what other people tell you to think.