I know, why don't we send them all to Rwanda?

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Does anyone else think this sounds like a suggestion someone made as a joke, to liven up a dull or fraught meeting and somehow, someone decided to run with it?

It’s really not. It’s why you won’t get it as a solution from anywhere, and as time passes and climate pressure goes up it becomes more unlikely

To understand why not consider how many people a country would need to say yes to and then consider what people do if they get a no

The people who get the no will pay traffickers

These threads always go on to safe routes, ID cards, faster processing

If they were not put forward as suggestions then fine but they are and it’s very unlikely anyone will see them happen

What about the human rights of a single mum who has undocumented young immigrant men dumped next door? When I look at the news (even the laughably biased BBC) all I see is boatload after boatload of young men. No one knows who these young men are, or why they've left their home country. Maybe they are genuinely "fleeing war and persecution," as we keep being told (though it begs the question where their mothers and fathers and wives and children and sisters are...presumably they've been left to suffer the war and persecution on their own). But maybe they're actually fleeing the police. Maybe they're wanted for rape or murder or gang violence or drug dealing, etc.

Take the recent case of a 40-year-old man from the Congo named Anicet Mayela. He came to the UK illegally, and was then helped by various anti-deportation campaigners. They succeeded in keeping him here. He then went on to rape a young girl. What about that girl's human rights? What about the rights of people whose communities have been turned upside down by mass immigration? What about the rights of people who feel their entire identity has been destroyed? What about those of us who are sick of seeing the countryside covered in horrible rabbit hutch houses? Net immigration in 2022 was 750,000. And that doesn't include illegal immigrants! At this rate, we will have to build two new Manchesters every year. It's insane.

What about the human rights of a single mum who has undocumented young immigrant men dumped next door?

Don't be ridiculous. They aren't living in her house. Noone has a "human right" to nice neighbours. Imagine if we did 😂

Also you do realise Rwanda is just for asylum seekers? About 70,000 of that 750,000 last year. The government has no plan at all for reducing the amount of visas they are offering and Rwanda will do nothing at all about that. It is a distraction tactic so they can look like they are taking action whilst continuing to allow hundreds of thousands to migrate here.

If Sunak is re-elected, wait to see what his trade deal with India involves.

Yes

How depressing the whole situation is

There must be a better way to stop this never ending immigration

Why bring up net migration? What has any of that got to do with Rwanda or "undocumented" men? Don't conflate issues. Your phobias are showing.

So why do think that people won’t continue to pay traffickers under the Rwanda policy? When the likely of being sent to Rwanda is so small anyway, why is this more likely to change anything and safe routes won’t?

Exactly, it's complete nonsense to push an agenda.

And people are still confusing, as above, migration with refugees. Legal migration, approved and encouraged by the government, is a level of magnitude higher than asylum seekers (that's numbers for our resident numerologist). But they're not worrying about that.

But we had no small boat crossings before Brexit. None at all. The idea that we can stave off an impending global crisis on our own is folly. Global problems need global solutions and we're becoming a Trumpian laughing stock on the world stage with a diminishing influence on world events. Apart from arming half the planet.

As long as people realise safe routes and faster processing won’t work I’m fine with people saying whatever about other things

Aus works, Albania has stopped trafficking, imo appeals might be an issue for here but you can get numbers right down with Aus version

If people want whatever to ‘work’ it pretty much means being hardline

Or it can be higher numbers which some won’t mind

I work in secondary school and we have some refugees that I teach. They are worried about being sent there and they're only 15/16 with no family or friends outside of school! 😐

I’ve linked below to things put in place to stop lorry route

Brexit isn’t a major factor in risky boat crossings as otherwise you wouldn’t see the surge in the Med

With all this stuff look at global trends

The accommodation shown in Rwanda looks quite nice and has a swimming pool too.

Why don't you move there then?

And everyone seems to conveniently forget that as recently as 2018, Rwandan police opened fire on a group of refugees, killing 12 of them.

Safe my arse...

Are you serious? we don't all have to think the same as you, many of us think this will greatly reduce the trafficking, you don't think so and that's fine but you can't state categorically that it won't work unless it's been tried in this country regardless of what other countries have done. The same applies to the Rwanda scheme, I'm against it for many reasons and I don't think it will deter anyone from making the crossing but I can't categorically say it won't work as we've never tried it, it's a very expensive gamble though

Well yes I’m serious it’s not that unfathomable to see the level of demand

Demand is incredibly high, I can’t think of a country that can meet it

It’s also increasing each year

Which is why I ask how many people will you say yes to via safe routes from multiple countries because it’s unlikely to meet the level required to stop trafficking

Stating demand is high isn't evidence that the Rwanda plan will work.

It's astonishing that over the last two years the Government haven't been pull together any evidence to back up their plan - what on earth have they been doing?

It's just complete nonsense. And repeating it endlessly doesn't make it any less nonsense.

Are you from the Ben Habib wing of the Reform party or something?

My posts are more about safe routes and faster processing, as they come up often on these threads

And the fact that if people want something that works then it’s going to be hardline

See Aus or Albania returns

Still nonsense...

Nice try again with the insults

You do lash out why?

It’s not going to decrease the migration pressures or political shift that’s going on generally 🤷‍♀️

What is it with the insults and aggression anyway

@HannibalHeyes you do it often

Not an insult, just wondering.

The Rwanda plan isn't going to do anything except deplete the UK treasury into Sunak's wife's company.