No benefits if unemployed for more than a year and other ways Sunak wants ti tackle the Benefits system

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This are the headlines - I can see some massive issues here for people - it's easy to say there are job vacancies - but what if they aren't in the area people are and there is no transport to get there. How does that work? I can see a lot of exploitation here.

There's also the other rules here around PIP payments, part time workers etc.

I wonder how much personal experience Sunak has of such things?

This is an outline from the Daily Mail

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13330045/Benefits-axed-year-stop-lifestyle-choice-Prime-Minister.html

12-month rule for unemployed

Tory manifesto plans will see people on the dole have their benefit claims closed after a year unless they can convince Jobcentre staff they are actively looking for work and willing to accept any reasonable job offer.

Personal Independence Payments

Hundreds of thousands of people with anxiety and depression could lose access to payments worth up to £700 a month and instead be offered therapy to help them back to work.

PART-TIME WORKERS

New rules will require part-time workers on Universal Credit to look for more work. Anyone working for less than the equivalent of 18 hours a week on minimum wage will have to show they are actively seeking more hours.

Disability rules

The work capability assessment rules, which govern who is eligible for sickness benefits, will be tightened to require 424,000 with milder mental health conditions to start looking for work.

Sick notes

GPs could be stripped of their role in signing off people as sick and replaced by 'specialist work and health professionals' who will focus on what work people could do with support, such as flexibility to work from home.

Benefit Fraud

Investigators will be handed new powers to tackle benefit fraud, which hit £6.4 billion last year. In future they will have similar powers to those investigating tax fraud, including the ability to make seizures and arrests

@Theimpossiblegirl if the country is daft enough to re-elect them. And I haven't ruled it out at all. I know of a few people who think they are great.

Best write to Rishi for that

So what does it say to people like DH and I. He created a business from nothing 30 years ago. It's tiny. Turns over less than a million quid a year, with seven properly paid employees. DH got the freedom to start it because I earned enough to cover household expenses, but no luxury spends.

I'm not bleating, because between us, we have succeeded at the end game but there have been periods sometimes two years long when only one of us was making a living. We have also had some serious health crises along the way. Not anxiety and stress. Think cardiac arrest.

My 18 year old son is fit, well, has a driving licence, his own car, has good GCSEs (5-7s), is intelligent, articulate, polite, hard working and we live in an urban area with many businesses etc. We spammed Indeed and applied for hundreds upon hundreds of jobs. He was rejected for jobs as basic as potato packer and picking positions. We applied for permanent, temporary, zero hour, part time etc etc. He was willing to work any shifts/hours. He also has work experience going back to when he was 16. He's finally got a permanent full time job but was without work for months. It's really not as easy as it looks!

Do you think it's a bit like the VAT on school fees? Class politics to tickle the ears of people who hate those they think are wealthy?

The only work he wasn't willing to do was care work which I agree with because I think you need to be of a certain disposition to do it and it's a massively underpaid undervalued profession.

Agree! If he promised to support people with MH problems he would be onto a winner . He would have to provide the evidence though! People whinging about the unemployed should be thankful that they have the motivation and mental health that gives them the drive to manage their life!
Have witnessed the effects of poor MH with a much loved family member. A very intelligent amazing person who is really struggling,siblings are absolutely fine with the same upbringing.Fucking heartbreaking for everyone ,including the siblings that are ok .

@dimllaishebiaith You were happy at the thought of me being a low earner - probably rubbing our hands together with glee! Shame on you.
At no point have I done what you claim. We are different people ... I have had and have my struggles. Perhaps you haven't struggled in life but that's fine and it's your life.

It doesn't change that there's a huge number of non-tax paying working-age adults in this country. As a tax payer that bothers me. I am not talking about students, disabled, unwell, business owners, workers who are below the threshold etc - none of that! I am talking about people who choose to be looked after by other tax payers because they do not want to work! There's a difference whether you agree or not!

I will support the policy and would even vote for the tories for that.

He should support everyone not just people with MH problems. The more people working and more businesses paying taxes, the more money we can have to pay for a better NHS.

I did care work and factory work in my younger years - I had no choice. Either that or I was on the streets.

It's election baiting bullshit. He's doing exactly what the Tories have spent the last 14 years doing - creating divisions amongst the population and exacerbating them to their own benefit, with no care for the repercussions of such a divided society.

What he says is bad enough "it's not fair to working people if you're on benefits " but the way he says everything with that sanctimonious smirk is sickening.

Started with Thatcher and 'No Society'.
Now with the typical staunch Tory voter it's 'I'm alright Jack' and sod everyone else.

You were happy at the thought of me being a low earner - probably rubbing our hands together with glee! Shame on you.

You are making this up, I've said nothing of the sort. This is not the first time you have lied about what I have posted though.

Perhaps you haven't struggled in life but that's fine and it's your life.

This is literally the thread about where I have talked about having to give up my job because I was suddenly made disabled, having to come to terms with that, have physical therapy and having to retrain in a new career. But no apparently I haven't struggled 🙄 Despite the fact I am the one defending those that are struggling and you are the one proposing they struggle more

At no point have I done what you claim.

You might want to recheck your posts to the OP who also asked questions about your figures.

It's also the rhetoric that they like to maintain and some posters on the thread have continued as if all people on benefits aren't working

When on reality lots of working people are also on benefits because huge profit making companies rely on the state to prop up their wages and boost their profits

I don't hate unemployed people @Eise. I hate the entitlement that I should feel obliged to pay for them. Many, most are able bodied, and much younger than me. But, because I have saved assiduously to supplement my state pension, I shall be a tax payer until my dying day. I don't object to that. But if I need to be cared for in my dotage, I/my estate will have to pay for it whereas someone living next door who spent every penny they earned living the high life, until their care home is funded by council tax payers. DMIL spent £4000 every month to be cared for in her demented dotage, while equally needy people with similar needs were funded by the rate payers at a rate of £2,800 per month.

They do not "all automatically get PIP".

I don’t always see higher taxes as a bad thing, I don’t see councils / NHS / etc employing people as a bad thing. It’s more taxes which will hopefully be spent locally and not all on Amazon.

higher taxes spunked away to private companies and privatised business I do see a waste when those companies are making massive profits

They don't automatically get it they still have to apply but most seem to get awarded it. I helped a lady with addiction apply a few months ago. On the day DWP rang to do the assessment she was drunk, ranting, screaming etc and wouldn't answer the phone so they just did a paper based assessment and she was awarded £500 a month. needless to say that hasn't been great for her addiction. I do hope the extra money will help her get back on her feet but somehow not holding out much hope.

I do not think PIP for people with addiction is helpful unless it is to pay for supported accommodation for people with addiction.
But a paper based assessment means looking at all the documents submitted by professionals such as Drs and support workers. If all the people working with this person says she needs support to keep housing, to wash herself and similar, then she will get PIP.
It is similar with someone non verbal with a physical disability. Their assessment will be made based on the documents submitted by professionals.
PIP is not easy to get.

Someone who is so much of an alcoholic that they didn't manage to stay sober for their PIP assessment and has enough GP evidence to be awarded high rate care and low rate mobility off a paper assessment alone is too sick to work. That shows a needed large amount of support and care. Alcoholism to that degree is mental illness. I dont know why anyone thinks demanding this person gets a job will help anyone. Where would she be hired?she wouldn't be capable of working in that state. Poverty doesn't cure addiction. Punishing her for being an addict isn't going to make her not an addict. She'd just resort to crime and become more traumatised and more entrenched in her addiction .

Yes certainly wouldn't be capable of working, not that PIP is about being able to work. She also had the LCWRA element of UC.

WTF are they going to do when AI replaces more jobs. Punish people because of advancing technology

And once more for the benefit of the i newspaper as well as ITV News

PIP IS NOT AN OUT OF WORK BENEFIT

Very likely.

I should add that people will be punished by AI.