No benefits if unemployed for more than a year and other ways Sunak wants ti tackle the Benefits system

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This are the headlines - I can see some massive issues here for people - it's easy to say there are job vacancies - but what if they aren't in the area people are and there is no transport to get there. How does that work? I can see a lot of exploitation here.

There's also the other rules here around PIP payments, part time workers etc.

I wonder how much personal experience Sunak has of such things?

This is an outline from the Daily Mail

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13330045/Benefits-axed-year-stop-lifestyle-choice-Prime-Minister.html

12-month rule for unemployed

Tory manifesto plans will see people on the dole have their benefit claims closed after a year unless they can convince Jobcentre staff they are actively looking for work and willing to accept any reasonable job offer.

Personal Independence Payments

Hundreds of thousands of people with anxiety and depression could lose access to payments worth up to £700 a month and instead be offered therapy to help them back to work.

PART-TIME WORKERS

New rules will require part-time workers on Universal Credit to look for more work. Anyone working for less than the equivalent of 18 hours a week on minimum wage will have to show they are actively seeking more hours.

Disability rules

The work capability assessment rules, which govern who is eligible for sickness benefits, will be tightened to require 424,000 with milder mental health conditions to start looking for work.

Sick notes

GPs could be stripped of their role in signing off people as sick and replaced by 'specialist work and health professionals' who will focus on what work people could do with support, such as flexibility to work from home.

Benefit Fraud

Investigators will be handed new powers to tackle benefit fraud, which hit £6.4 billion last year. In future they will have similar powers to those investigating tax fraud, including the ability to make seizures and arrests

It's a good thing your buses weren't late then - because that would have made childcare even more expensive.

Oh I contributed but because I earned above a certain threshold it meant I couldn't get help.

What superiority? You are a joke! So now you are calling me names because you don't agree with my views?
So you have an inferiority complex? I didn't realise I thought we were just exchanging views.

I don’t think it matters. What matters is people contributing what they can in return for the medical care, education, emergency services, infrastructure, military protection, utilities, justice system and everything else that is provided to them.

If you’re claiming benefits because you find it hassle to fit a job in around the school run, then you’re taking the piss expecting all of the above for free.

People take no issues with those who aren’t net contributors if they’re working because we still need people in lower paid jobs. What we don’t need is freeloaders who make every excuse under the sun to extract money from everyone else.

@dimllaishebiaith In my first year of work like many I didn't earn much but I still worked despite the challenges that came with it. So you are happy because I wasn't a high earner? Talk about being a bitter Betty!

Agree. Trying to make out somebody who works 37 hours a week in a minimum wage job is the same as somebody claiming benefits and sitting at home all day is laughable.

Well then give up your job and go on the dole seeing as you're convinced its such a lark.

no book would have helped my mental health problems - where are serious but nowhere near the level of many - I was lucky that eventually I got the support I needed via the NHS so I am now able to manage it but no when at my worst no amount of self help books would have done a thing.

due to circumstances beyond my control I didn’t work for 5 years, I couldn’t. I fell lucky and found a supportive way back into work and over the last two years I have built up to full time work, it’s bloody tough given the hand I have been dealt but I have done it. But I don’t judge those who can’t work due to their hands at all. I would like to think we live in a country who actually care but sadly with this government we don’t

I don't think it matters either

But that particular poster is bitching about people who run their own businesses or who earn less than the tax threshold when that might be all they can do

So they are literally moaning about people not being net contributers but still working whilst not having been a net contributer themselves

So I'm calling out their hypocrisy

Not a bitter Betty at all, given I have talked about on this thread being a lower earner, being on benefits and being a higher earner

You didn't quite follow the point unfortunately again

Yes, obviously I have an inferiority complex that was the thing to take from there

Me being a bitter Betty with my inferiority complex whilst you moan about people calling you names because I commented on your attitude, but didn't call you a name...

😂Err many know what causes their mental illness- rape, trauma, addiction,EDs, ND, grief, BPD, abuse….

Do you not think people try. It was heart breaking watching my dc try and just getting a beyond shite worker telling him to eat well when waiting for help he’s been promised for years. It’s laughable. He couldn’t get out of bed in the day and was pacing all night with anxiety whilst battling suicidal idealisation.His life was on hold waiting and his education destroyed. He is very bright and didn’t want that life.

The steps you describe don’t scratch the surface when you’re very ill and just shows your ignorance.

My PTSD is caused my seeing my son nearly die. Strangely no books help you deal with that.

I'm sorry, but it seems like there's a misunderstanding here. I haven't used the terminology you're referring to. Before attending university, I earned minimum wage, and although I was making more than that in my first job post-graduation, finances were still tight.
Despite battling a chronic illness and undergoing two surgeries, I persevered without resorting to welfare benefits.
Yes, I'm now earning a much higher income, but I still work hard for it, enduring daily round trips of four hours. I choose to send my children to private school, among other decisions, but none of this is without sacrifice. It's tough, costing me not just financially but in other ways as well.

So before you jump to conclusions, consider this: your laughter at the mistaken belief that I was still earning minimum wage reveals more about your character than mine. It's disappointing and uncalled for.

Feel free to continue claiming benefits if that’s your choice. There's no need to criticise others online just because they hold a different perspective.

I’ll keep advocating for policies that encourage employment, even if it means individuals are only contributing a small amount in taxes. The key point is that they are contributing rather than being a burden on the state. The less people claim benefits the more there is towards improving public services and giving to those who really need it.

But there will always be people who are a “burden” on the state, even people who are working. But they should never be made to feel guilty for the hand they have been dealt.

@sirzy and that's fine those who NEED the help should continue to get it. Those who can work should work. Win win.

It’s all just sounds coming out of his mouth to tickle the ears of people who hate the unemployed.

None of it is realistic. If he can summon up mental health support for them all I’ll eat my hat.

@eise

If only this was how it worked. Read about how money is actually spent and on what.

I never said you earnt minimum wage... Neither did I laugh

Yeah I think you are the one getting confused here

And you have literally been bitching about those who earn less than the tax threshold as if they don't work

Unless you don't understand how the tax thresholds work and mistakenly believe everyone who works pays tax?

And how is that going to be accurately decided?

And how are you going to decide it? Because there is nothing in this new policy to suggest there is any fair judgement of the circumstances

Sick people should never be made to feel a burden. I'm sick of this rhetoric and sick of this government!

And from what has been stated it seems all will be pushed into work after a year regardless and benefits stopped.

Exactly

It's a mark of a decent society how well its vulnerable are looked after. We should be happy to support people with disabilities, the elderly and children because that's what makes us a decent civilised society

Unfortunately some put their accumulation of wealth and their jealousy of others supposed "fortune" over being caring and decent

Aren’t we all. I should think collectively the mental health of the whole nation will go up a fair bit the morning after they’re booted out.

They’re just shockingly awful.