London Jew accused of "breach of the peace" by looking "openly Jewish"

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I'm gobsmacked by this

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68856360

So what exactly did he say and/or do for the anti-Semitic protesters to be right in what they were shouting at him? I'm interested to read a justification for why he deserved it.

No links to any more videos, I'd like someone to take their time to actually verbalise their justification for anti-Semitism. And if you're not comfortable with doing so because you're not actually ok with anti-Semitism, maybe rethink your stance on this specific matter.

Honestly...it's exhausting.

Is anything ever anti semetic?

I'm not saying what they did was justified. I'm saying your post was misleading and scaremongering. He proved its not safe to walk the wrong way through a protest with a cameraman and disobey police orders. He didn't prove it isn't safe 'to be anywhere near' a protest.

People seem really, really offended by the idea of walking through a protest. Like people might be slightly inconvenienced?

And some people seem really offended at being told to cross at the crossing point like the rules don't apply to them. So much so they will act in a way that made a former Scotland yeard chief say he would have arrested him for assault on a police officer. Nobody is covered in glory are they?

No, but it's pretty clear that it wasn't the crossing a protest that was really unsafe was it? It was the doing it while visibly Jewish, which is the bit that people seem to want to deny.

And yet there were the crowd shouting scum and shame on you... they knew what the real problem was.

Thank you for this level headed post. I think most people look at the provocative headlines and start on their opinions. I do not think there was any malice/racist behaviour from the cop!!!!
I think he was in a clumsy way trying to protect him from the frothing mob.

Except the video above clearly shows another person walking through the protest across the road, I think they even might have been pushing a bike but I'm not sure, without the protesters obviously shouting at him or the police stopping him, it's all a bit of a non event for someone to walk across the protest in that instance

So it's apparently fine to cross the road across a protest so long as you are not looking Jewish whilst you do so

I'm not denying that it is unsafe for a visibly Jewish person to push his way against the protest, assault police officers and breach the peace. Clearly it was. Scumbags exists whether it is those that assault police officers doing their jobs or those that verbally assault people in the street.

My only point was that it doesn't show that it is unsafe to be 'anywhere near a protest' as a previous poster claimed. This man wasn't just 'anywhere near a protest', he was causing a scene, fighting with police in a protest.

Jewish people have been complaining about parts of London being unsafe for them, every weekend, for months now, and have been mostly ignored, or told there was no problem. This man has got the attention of the media, and there are finally stories about the issue. Do you think it would be better to just ignore that the anti-semitism of some people on the marches is intimidating other Londoners? I think it's far better for it to be out in the open and discussed honestly.

This man wasn't just 'anywhere near a protest', he was causing a scene, fighting with police in a protest.

Indeed, there are time stamped pictures of this man and his entourage at Holborn, Russell Square and Aldwych (over many hours) where he had been he had been attracting the attention of the police.

Exactly this. It's been said on this board, that should Gideon have been part of the protest he would have been " protected " and his "jewishness" would have been celebrated. It's crazy how anyone could think, let alone say, that this is acceptable.

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a former Scotland yard chief say he would have arrested him for assault on a police officer

Incidentally, the same former police chief who defended calls of 'jihad' during the protests back in October last year;

Times Radio (Oct 30, 2023)
“It’s quite patronising and almost colonial-like to see the Western world demanding that they know what jihad means better than Muslims.”

Former Met Police chief superintendent, Dal Babu, says it’s a “very dangerous road” for Western countries to start defining Islamic word.

The longer video doesn't make it look any better tbh, in my opinion it looks much worse. The behaviour of some of the demonstrators is appalling.

What do people think should have happened so he could have "got to the other side" where he wanted to be?

Should he just have been left to his own devices to cross?

The van clip was filmed back in October, mid-week.

Mr Falter was part of a group/convoy driving around with illuminated photos of Israeli children kidnapped by Hamas. The police ordered the vans to shut down and leave, whilst the Palestinian group were allowed to continue their protest;

www.standard.co.uk/comment/hamas-hostages-van-met-protest-banned-b1115007.html

Thanks Clav(!)

Why photos of hostages would be so provocative is hard to fathom. But then we know that people went around ripping down the posters too.

We've come back round to needing to explain to people - again - that for months we've all been told that there is no antisemitism in these protests.

Gideon Falter went out to demonstrate that there is. He succeeded. These protests tolerate the Right Kind of Jew. They tolerate other people crossing the street through the protest. But the Wrong Kind of Jew... Nazi scum, apparently.

That's the core of this event.

And the question is, what is going to be done about it? Deflection? Excuses? Denial? Or asking the police to deal with open and blatant displays of antisemitism?

The shouting of insults is atrocious behaviour and people should control themselves. I think it's quite likely that were it a non-Jewish anti-Palestinian right wing talk show host arguing with the officer, insults may have been shouted too. So I personally think the crowd shouting 'Scum', which is the only footage of people shouting at GF I have seen, were objecting to his political views rather than his Jewishness. I think we need the officer himself to explain why he made the 'visibly Jewish' comment. I certainly hope protestors can refrain from shouting obnoxious comments at people they don't agree with, it's an unpleasant aspect of protest generally.

We'll never know now, but if he simply crossed through it may well have been fine.

Apparently,(!) there are hate crime laws, which should be dealing with this. infact, protesters are quick to point this out whenever someone brings up the question of blatant anti Semitic behaviours at the marches, as if this somehow absolves them of any further responsibility. It legitimizes their argument that they can happily look away or pretend it's not happening, because, well, the police should be dealing with it and if they're not, well a hate crime hasn't really been committed... Forget the fact that we ALL have a moral duty to call out religious hatred when we see it. As David baddiel rightly pointed out, Jewish people are somehow not ' deserving' of the same protection other minorities enjoy. As a larger society I think we need to be asking why that is.

I'm curious how you think the crowd knew the man's political opinions from the argument that he wanted to cross the road?

Have you seen a video where he stands there and states his political opinions?

So I personally think the crowd shouting 'Scum', which is the only footage of people shouting at GF I have seen, were objecting to his political views rather than his Jewishness. I think we need the officer himself to explain why he made the 'visibly Jewish' comment.

I'm assuming that it's because there was no indication of his political views, however there was an indication that he was Jewish.

Here are some clips you haven't seen then.

https://x.com/antisemitism/status/1782452825034801384?s=61&t=U9XrcF693-JpMxeIueYG7g

One man shouts Nazi at him. Shouting Nazi at a Jew is pretty bad?

I was wondering the same. Maybe he's just very famous amongst the protesters and they all know the nuances of his political opinions.

Or maybe it was just that he wasn't on the protest so was obviously the Wrong Kind of Jew and deserved abuse and insults.

Thus making his point for him.

Really the mental gymnastics some people are engaging in an attempt to prove this is not anti semetic is quite something.