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Nat6999 · 14/04/2024 02:00

From what I've just seen in Jerusalem on Sky, the defence system is working well, the drones are all getting shot down.

anotherside · 14/04/2024 02:03

Lifesd · 14/04/2024 01:55

I do not support Netanyahu and think the current Israeli government is very much the worst one at the worst time when the world is such a tinder box. But as PP said - global instability is very much our business and it isn’t just a case of just watching on. I also didn’t say anyone here was supporting Iran but this is all part of a much wider threat to the west from Iran, China and Russia (amongst others).

If you read a bit of history you might understand how China for one perceives a much greater threat from the Western powers than vice versa.

BouncebackBetty · 14/04/2024 02:04

If you mean challenging blinkered Christian Zionist support for Netanyahu and his very right wing government mean being 'pro Iran', that's a very naive way to go.
There is a large proportion of people who live in Israel who do not support the current government.

anotherside · 14/04/2024 02:20

For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group. The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state. Thus, amid this bid to impair Abbas, Hamas was upgraded from a mere terror group to an organization with which Israel held indirect negotiations via Egypt, and one that was allowed to receive infusions of cash from abroad.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

Netanyahu has always strived to discredit and hamper the efficacy of any moderate political entity in Palestine, because he never wanted the two state solution the majority of Palestians and basically every other country on Earth has always craved. That led to modern day Hamas - Netanyahu’s creation. And whose existence in its current form he’s now using as an excuse to destroy Palestine, kill 10,000s of civilians, and possibly incite wider conflicts across the world.

Lifesd · 14/04/2024 02:21

@anotherside ive got a good grasp on geopolitics and history but I’m also promoted to act/defend in the best interests of my own country.

MariaLuna · 14/04/2024 02:29

^Profit profit profit for arms manufacturing and a boost for economy.

Distractions from corrupt leaders ripping off their own people (of whatever creed, colour, or religion). Their kids will be making millions from any conflict.

Sending love and peace and sweet dreams to everyone of every background who just wants peace and security.

I personally have a secular outlook but will be sending strong compassion thoughts in my practice tonight.^

@Stripeytig My thoughts exactly. I think I love you lol...

Mumtobabyhavoc · 14/04/2024 02:30

Anonymous2025 · 14/04/2024 01:51

I hope not. USA , U.K. and nato will support Israel , there is no way around it so let’s hope it deescalates fast .
All the videos on Twitter showing people in Gaza celebrating will probably also mean more attacks in Palestine .

There may be some of that, but in the AI world don't believe all of it.

SapphireSeptember · 14/04/2024 03:05

I'm about to have a baby and this all feels very bleak. What kind of world am I bringing my little boy in to? This, and the news about nuclear weapons I heard on Friday afternoon is making me feel very scared.

Hope for everyone who has loved ones out there, that they will be safe. ❤️

Sunglow1921 · 14/04/2024 03:23

Towerofsong · 14/04/2024 00:47

I've been saying this for ages. Just have a 30 year experiment of women running the world.

There would be loads of arguments and fallings out, quite a lot of sanctions, but no actual war.

However there are huge swathes of the planet (every single Muslim country for a start) that would never agree to this.

As always, men get into leadership, wave their willies, and ordinary people suffer.

However there are huge swathes of the planet (every single Muslim country for a start) that would never agree to this.

As a side note to this thread, you should do some research before making such statements. This kind of sweeping generalisations on all sides are part of the problem.

Aussieland · 14/04/2024 03:44

ChedderGorgeous · 14/04/2024 01:16

This feels like another local skirmish. No reason for it to escalate to a wider conflict.

That is extremely naive

slore · 14/04/2024 03:47

I hope to God the UK keeps it's nose out of this. I'm sick of being bidden to the USA and its constant interference.

slore · 14/04/2024 03:52

Pigeotto · 14/04/2024 01:04

I’m not sure I really understand the implications.

We’ve been told over and over that Russia/Ukraine, Israel/Gaza and you know what absolutely nothing has happened. Obviously awful for those affected but the worlds just carried on as normal. I’m sick of the news trying to constantly make out like it’s some kind of world war event which will encompass the entire globe. Or am I missing something crucial here?

Erm yes.

These wars are planned years in advance then the media builds up the "story" to make it look natural.

The constant implications of doom are to make an imminent major war look like a totally natural consequence of current events.

MonsieurSpade · 14/04/2024 03:57

SapphireSeptember · 14/04/2024 03:05

I'm about to have a baby and this all feels very bleak. What kind of world am I bringing my little boy in to? This, and the news about nuclear weapons I heard on Friday afternoon is making me feel very scared.

Hope for everyone who has loved ones out there, that they will be safe. ❤️

I felt the same during 1990/1991, the Gulf war, I was pregnant with dd.

I suggest you stay off sm for a while and enjoy your little boy when he arrives.
There’s always been conflict, we just have constant access to news now.

NefertitiV · 14/04/2024 05:19

TokyoSushi · 13/04/2024 22:38

Sending strength to your sister @BouncebackBetty let's hope this is 'just' drones that can be dealt with, civilians should always be protected.

Drones carry payloads.

NefertitiV · 14/04/2024 05:22

@Towerofsong

I heard cruise missiles as well as drones. Cruise missiles can carry normal bombs.

Drones can carry a variety of payloads; here, I'd suggest they would be carrying ordnance such as bombs and missiles.

NefertitiV · 14/04/2024 05:24

Plumeface · 13/04/2024 23:10

It is apparently ballistic missiles and not just drones.

The drones are launching the missiles.

DreamTheMoors · 14/04/2024 05:27

Struggggggling · 13/04/2024 22:27

Israels getting what it wants, they've been indirectly attacking Iran for months, the US will join in to support Israel

I hope the UK now actually pushes for peace

The US wants no part of this.

Back when Donald Trump was president, he wanted his “Osama bin Laden” badge, so he he had American forces launch an unprovoked attack on Qasem Soleimani in 2020.
The Iranians are still pissed off about that, but the US had no idea Israel was going to attack Iran and told them so.

The US is ready to tell Israel they’re on their own and Biden said as much to Netanyahu when they last spoke. The two men do not get along - they have a very shaky relationship.

We ALL wish for peace.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 14/04/2024 05:31

Just woken up for some unknown reason and saw this news on my phone.

Terrible obviously for all the innocents in the region.

But with this conflict and the Ukraine situation it strikes me that the "theatre of war" has never been so apt.

It seems so bizarre to see all the real time coverage, all the posturing, to-ing and fro-ing, the shuffling of weapons and aid by the super powers - and all to what end precisely?

The ideologies behind the conflict are entrenched and regardless of escalation there can be no resolution or winner's.

It reminds me of 1984 - (sic) "we had always been at war with Eurasia".

In the meantime disaster capitalism thrives, those in the arms trade get richer, the world economy destabilises further and innocents on all sides are just collateral damage.

I just don't see an end game. Or a point.

In my supremely naive head, I wonder why military operatives on all sides don't just down tools and say "Sod this" but of course the vulnerable do need protecting so I suppose on principle that wouldn't stop the carnage.

I watched a couple of interesting documentaries on Al Jazeera called "Praying for Armageddon" which examined the entrenched fundamental Christian views of some in the US who have power and apparently have the ears of the government. Some people in power are apparently actually driven by the idea of a Holy War to bring back Christ.

In this day and age I'm baffled. Of course religion and power have always been bedfellows, and use the leverage of fear of the unknown to polarise and subjugate people, but honestly, it's nuts.

On a wider scale, the drip of instability and insecurity causes world wide geopolitical and economic consequences and it's like psychological torture. Division escalates, suspicion etc etc. We who are not directly affected by physical conflict have no choice but to keep calm and carry on, controlling the precious little we can in our own lives.

And then I wonder - is the goal to get everyone to a point where we would accept any regime or solution in order to ease the uncertainty. And at what cost would that be?

Sorry for the long rant but since I was widowed, my only outlet for this kind of musing is my cat. I can tell he's interested, but his capacity to engage in debate is limited. So Mumsnet is my fall back.

All I can do I suppose is keep hoping that someone in power will see sense, because the slaughter of innocents on any side is so abhorrent.

To those with loved ones in the affected regions, I'm just so sorry and angry for you all. It shouldn't be like this. And I hope they are safe.

Posypointshoes · 14/04/2024 06:04

I know it’s the DM but they’re reporting that the drones have been shot down with the help of the RAF. 😑
wish we would push for peace.
is there a reason we needed to get involved? As far as I could see online the defence system was holding up.
i hope everyone’s loved ones are safe and ok, i do not support what has been happening in Palestine but not do I support anything where innocent civilians suffer.

NigelHarmansNewWife · 14/04/2024 06:20

Those posters stating so adamantly that this kind of thing wouldn't happen if the nations of the world were run by women are naive and, sadly, wrong. There are numerous examples of women leaders across history and in the modern era who have not exercised a, "let's talk about it approach" and who have allowed awful crimes to be perpetuated against minorities.

nothingsforgotten · 14/04/2024 06:22

NigelHarmansNewWife · 14/04/2024 06:20

Those posters stating so adamantly that this kind of thing wouldn't happen if the nations of the world were run by women are naive and, sadly, wrong. There are numerous examples of women leaders across history and in the modern era who have not exercised a, "let's talk about it approach" and who have allowed awful crimes to be perpetuated against minorities.

I agree. The type of women who would want to be running a country are very often not the type who want to sit back and see peace.

Worriedtothemaxx · 14/04/2024 06:28

NigelHarmansNewWife · 14/04/2024 06:20

Those posters stating so adamantly that this kind of thing wouldn't happen if the nations of the world were run by women are naive and, sadly, wrong. There are numerous examples of women leaders across history and in the modern era who have not exercised a, "let's talk about it approach" and who have allowed awful crimes to be perpetuated against minorities.

The women who are able to rise to power in this political climate, surviving amongst all the men, are not going to be the average woman though.

They'd need to think and act like men to get near the top which is probably not the way most women would think and act in the first place.

The vast majority of women are not aggressive in their outlook. I can't imagine any of the women I know making decisions that would harm innocent people, they'd talk. Power is like a drug for men.

TitanTins · 14/04/2024 06:30

I said to DP, women don’t do this do they??? This is all so male. Where is the female voice of reason in all of this - it’s very, very much needed. And highly illustrates how unequal women are in this world, and if we were equal : I don’t think this would be happening.

MountCaramel · 14/04/2024 06:36

Shame nobody intervened when Israel was
flattening Palestine over the past few decades. This latest drone incident would not have happened if the Iranian consulate wssn't bombed initially. Then we had the aid workers who were deliberately killed recently so each week the violence intensifies.

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