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Do we know where the non muggle DC go to Primary School before Hogwarts ?

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UpsideLeft · 23/03/2024 11:37

Just listening to Harry Potter for the millionth time and realised it's never mentioned if all the little wizards and witches who are non muggle ever go to wizarding Primary Schools ?

I'm sure there's lots of other unanswered HP questions we can try and get to the bottom of invent for our own amusement

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Bluescissorsbluepen · 23/03/2024 18:11

Ds get annoyed with the lack of education at Hogwarts. They can’t all work for the ministry of magic, and even then assuming it’s the civil service they’d maths and English to a reasonable level. Drives him crazy they don’t do languages, presumably there isn’t a universal translator as it was never mentioned. And how do they train drs and nurses etc. even if they go to muggle university they don’t have computers to fill in the UCAS forms.

the80sweregreat · 23/03/2024 18:15

Different world isn't it?
No wonder Ron's dad is so keen on ' muggle ways !'

OrigamiOwls · 23/03/2024 18:16

Bluescissorsbluepen · 23/03/2024 18:11

Ds get annoyed with the lack of education at Hogwarts. They can’t all work for the ministry of magic, and even then assuming it’s the civil service they’d maths and English to a reasonable level. Drives him crazy they don’t do languages, presumably there isn’t a universal translator as it was never mentioned. And how do they train drs and nurses etc. even if they go to muggle university they don’t have computers to fill in the UCAS forms.

I think the healers get on the job training at St Mungos after they complete their NEWTs.
There's reference in the Order of the Phoenix to a trainee healer looking after Mr Weasley under supervision.

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WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 23/03/2024 18:18

There is some magnificent Potter knowledge on this thread. I’m awestruck.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 23/03/2024 18:21

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 23/03/2024 18:02

Oh yes.

”Archie is sooo keen on Hogwarts. But we’ve got Durmstrang as a fallback. Jemima hasn’t set anything on fire with her mind yet, but if she does it’s definitely Beauxbatons. We absolutely love Madame Maxime.”

Grin

Years ago, I was involved with a local secondary school that was heavily oversubscribed. I was told that it wasn't unknown for parents who hadn't secured a place for their child for Year 7 to buy the uniform anyway and then bring the child to the school on the first day of school, blithely (or desperately) assuming that nobody could be heartless enough to turn the kid away once they'd gone to that amount of trouble. (They were wrong.)

I imagine, therefore, some parents of Squibs just tried to get them onto Platform 9 3/4 anyway.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 23/03/2024 18:41

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 23/03/2024 18:21

Grin

Years ago, I was involved with a local secondary school that was heavily oversubscribed. I was told that it wasn't unknown for parents who hadn't secured a place for their child for Year 7 to buy the uniform anyway and then bring the child to the school on the first day of school, blithely (or desperately) assuming that nobody could be heartless enough to turn the kid away once they'd gone to that amount of trouble. (They were wrong.)

I imagine, therefore, some parents of Squibs just tried to get them onto Platform 9 3/4 anyway.

Bloody hell. Nowt so queer as folk and all that. Poor kids.

TooFondOfBooks · 23/03/2024 19:14

Bluescissorsbluepen · 23/03/2024 18:11

Ds get annoyed with the lack of education at Hogwarts. They can’t all work for the ministry of magic, and even then assuming it’s the civil service they’d maths and English to a reasonable level. Drives him crazy they don’t do languages, presumably there isn’t a universal translator as it was never mentioned. And how do they train drs and nurses etc. even if they go to muggle university they don’t have computers to fill in the UCAS forms.

They [can] learn Ancient Runes but no MFLs (nor languages like Gobbledegook or Mermish) are on the curriculum - there’s no explanation given for how Barry Crouch Snr learned the over 200 languages he spoke. There being no form of higher education always confused me: Hogwarts was founded around the same time as the UK’s earliest universities & while I know arguably the Wizarding population is too small, a university for all of Europe, for example, would be feasible. (But you can’t blame JKR for not wanting to get into that…)

As OrigamiOwls says, Healers train ón the job at St Mungo’s. As Ron says, doctors are “those Muggle nutters that cut you up”.

thecatsthecats · 23/03/2024 19:32

DidoKaftan · 23/03/2024 13:00

Well, yes, the Ministry would have to have staff permanently dashing around every primary with a magical kid to magically obliviate teachers and children and dinner ladies and parents who had seen magic happening. Even magical children with Muggle parents must pose this risk — I can’t imagine Hermione, for instance, keeping quiet about noticing her first stirrings of magic? She’d be asking her teachers, ransacking the library for explanations of levitating tables or whatever, and her parents would probably have taken her to a child psychologist!

There's a great post out there about Hermione reading Matilda, and looking at a pencil and it just begins to move.

CatHerderSupreme · 23/03/2024 19:36

DigitalDust · 23/03/2024 12:01

Potions is basically Chemistry and I think there’s a Biology equivalent. Physics would be more challenging…

I think you’re talking about Herbology for their Biology, Neville’s best subject.

Transfiguration would be their equivalent of Physics I think, as it’s sort of to do with forces etc.

Quidditch is, of course, PE.

Divination would be a reverse History, although they also had History of Magic.

Arithmancy would be like Maths as it’s the study of magical properties of numbers.

The Study of Ancient Runes is their version of languages, as runes is an old way of wizard writing.

Care of Magical Creatures may be like Childcare.

Muggle Studies might be like Social studies.

Not sure what Charms or Defence Against the Dark Arts would be equivalent to though.

I wonder if there was a magical Home Economics where they learnt household spells? Possibly taught by a house elf.

PotatoPudding · 23/03/2024 19:40

orangeblosssom · 23/03/2024 12:05

DD tells me that it is likely some of the children would have gone to magical primary schools. There were other secondary schools available as mentioned in Goblet of Fire, not just Hogwarts. The other schools participated in the Triwizard
Tournament.

Hogwarts was the only British school for witches and wizards. There were three schools in the Triwizard tournament; Hogwarts from the UK, Durmstrang from Bulgaria, and Beauxbatons from France.

SpacePotato · 23/03/2024 20:01

Most of the kids seem to get an automatic place because their parents were pupils there.

I've never read the books.
Does it ever explain how muggles like Hermione's parents have the whole magic school stuff explained to them as they won't be able to tell anyone.

Hermione seems to know all about it all before getting there.

Pastlast · 23/03/2024 20:10

So in Europe you are stuck with single sex ed? Your are Spanish and your son has to go to Drumstrang and your daughter to Beauxbattons?

GrandTheftWalrus · 23/03/2024 20:14

SpacePotato · 23/03/2024 20:01

Most of the kids seem to get an automatic place because their parents were pupils there.

I've never read the books.
Does it ever explain how muggles like Hermione's parents have the whole magic school stuff explained to them as they won't be able to tell anyone.

Hermione seems to know all about it all before getting there.

One of the professers went to her house to explain it all and give her her letter etc.

Saschka · 23/03/2024 20:14

Worried1305 · 23/03/2024 11:51

How come they never have to study English, Maths, Science or Languages beyond the age of 11, once they reach Hogwarts? Surely they also need to learn these alongside wizarding skills like Transfiguration?

Why would they need it? I expect there’s a translation spell for languages, a scribing spell for writing, and maths spell for working out their tax returns, invoices etc.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 23/03/2024 20:15

Pastlast · 23/03/2024 20:10

So in Europe you are stuck with single sex ed? Your are Spanish and your son has to go to Drumstrang and your daughter to Beauxbattons?

Hogwarts is very progressive like that. We have much more rounded witches and wizards than across the EU (Enchantment Union).

Skinheads at Durmstrang and Edwardian young ladies at Beauxbatons? Not for us.

QueenOfTheEntireFuckingUniverse · 23/03/2024 20:15

Pastlast · 23/03/2024 20:10

So in Europe you are stuck with single sex ed? Your are Spanish and your son has to go to Drumstrang and your daughter to Beauxbattons?

Beauxbatons wasn't single sex in the book.

GrandTheftWalrus · 23/03/2024 20:15

Pastlast · 23/03/2024 20:10

So in Europe you are stuck with single sex ed? Your are Spanish and your son has to go to Drumstrang and your daughter to Beauxbattons?

No that was just in the films as they mention a boy from beauxbatons in the books.

PrincessOfPreschool · 23/03/2024 20:17

So the UK is Hogwarts' catchment?

AcrossthePond55 · 23/03/2024 20:23

PrincessOfPreschool · 23/03/2024 20:17

So the UK is Hogwarts' catchment?

I'd assume so. Although there are apparently non-citizen students at Durmstrang since the Malfoys considered sending Draco there, there are no nonUK students at Hogwarts. Not even a foreign exchange student.

Although I seem to remember Krum mentioning that he would rather have gone to Hogwarts, it was never explained why he didn't.

Elleherd · 23/03/2024 20:33

SpacePotato · 23/03/2024 20:01

Most of the kids seem to get an automatic place because their parents were pupils there.

I've never read the books.
Does it ever explain how muggles like Hermione's parents have the whole magic school stuff explained to them as they won't be able to tell anyone.

Hermione seems to know all about it all before getting there.

They don't get an automatic place, however if their parents were accepted then the chances are their children will be born as witches/wizards and so will be accepted. If they have squibs, they wont.
In a tower in Hogwarts is the Quill of Acceptance and the Book of Admittance put their by the four founders.
When a child first shows signs of magic, the quill, will attempt to write the child's name in the book. The quill will accept any signs, but the book will close if it thinks the evidence insufficient.

Someone will have come and explained it all to the Granger's.
This is actually about Snape as a boy, explaining the process to Lily Potter as a girl, in the Deathly Hallows:

“And will it really come by owl?’ Lily whispered.

‘Normally,’ said Snape. ‘But you’re Muggle-born, so someone from the school will have to come and explain to your parents.”

In the Chamber of Secrets, Hermione's parents are with The Weasleys buying books at Flourish and Blotts when Gilderoy Lockheart is doing signings.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 23/03/2024 20:40

Elleherd · 23/03/2024 20:33

They don't get an automatic place, however if their parents were accepted then the chances are their children will be born as witches/wizards and so will be accepted. If they have squibs, they wont.
In a tower in Hogwarts is the Quill of Acceptance and the Book of Admittance put their by the four founders.
When a child first shows signs of magic, the quill, will attempt to write the child's name in the book. The quill will accept any signs, but the book will close if it thinks the evidence insufficient.

Someone will have come and explained it all to the Granger's.
This is actually about Snape as a boy, explaining the process to Lily Potter as a girl, in the Deathly Hallows:

“And will it really come by owl?’ Lily whispered.

‘Normally,’ said Snape. ‘But you’re Muggle-born, so someone from the school will have to come and explain to your parents.”

In the Chamber of Secrets, Hermione's parents are with The Weasleys buying books at Flourish and Blotts when Gilderoy Lockheart is doing signings.

Could you imagine turning up at someone’s house to tell them that their child has magic powers and they need be taken alone to a large castle that no-one can find?

999, handcuffs and an interview under caution, I think.

DigitalDust · 23/03/2024 20:57

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 23/03/2024 20:40

Could you imagine turning up at someone’s house to tell them that their child has magic powers and they need be taken alone to a large castle that no-one can find?

999, handcuffs and an interview under caution, I think.

I think we can assume that no children from the MN equivalent in the magic world never went - they’d never open the door to have it explained to them

echt · 23/03/2024 21:03

Not education-related, but I've always wondered this: the 11 year-old Harry kills Professor Quirrell with his bare hands and is completely unphased by this. I know Quirrell is a mule for Voldemort, but each is still a human being.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 23/03/2024 21:14

DigitalDust · 23/03/2024 20:57

I think we can assume that no children from the MN equivalent in the magic world never went - they’d never open the door to have it explained to them

I burst out laughing at that.

All those MagicNetters with wizard and witch kids who can’t go to Hogwarts because mum won’t answer the door. Brilliant!

But their bedding’s washed twice a day and they get fed massive salads, which is more than Hogwarts would offer.

Ilovelurchers · 23/03/2024 22:18

I've always wondered about the long essays they keep having to produce in various subject, from quite a young age. In my experience the majority of Year 7s don't know how to write even a short essay, and a lot of time is spent in all their remotely essay-based subjects teaching them how to do so.... The Hogwarts kids don't seem to do any of that sort of stuff. It's straight on to content for them, no exam-technique.... No work on literacy at all, in fact.

Whatever they do do for primary education (home schooling or whatever) it must be really bloody good, that's all I can say.....

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