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Ukraine Invasion: Part 48

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MagicFox · 09/03/2024 10:25

That last one went quickly! Welcome to thread 48. Thanks as usual to all for the information, guidance and solidarity.

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DancesWithDucks · 19/04/2024 10:20

UNITED24 Media Telegram Highlights

NATO partners may supply Ukraine with 6 Patriot systems. Germany is working on the matter, — German Chancellor Olaf Scholz.

South Korea will provide Ukraine with a $200 million package of financial assistance for humanitarian needs, —Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Economy and Finance Choi Sang-mok.
It is noted that the aid will be included in the previously announced $2.3 billion aid package.

Russia may be ready to attack NATO in 5–8 years, — German General Breuer.
As the German general pointed out, Russia has increased the production of military equipment, but not all of it goes to the needs of its front in Ukraine.
“So in 2029, we have to be ready. We see the threat in five to eight years,” he said.
According to Breuer, based on the Bundeswehr's analysis, Russia will reconstitute its forces “to the point where an attack on NATO territory would be possible”. [May be ready to does not mean 'will', of course]

"Chief of the Main Intelligence Directorate, Budanov, has forecasted new operations by the Russian Volunteer Corps and an escalation of drone attacks within Russian territory," reports The Washington Post.
"To counter the Russians, Budanov advocates for increased attacks by Russian volunteers operating within the Russian Federation," the newspaper writes.

The Tu-22MZ aircraft was shot down at a distance of about 300 km from Ukrainian territory by the same means that had previously hit the Russian A-50 aircraft — the Defense Intelligence of Ukraine

Two Russian agents were arrested in Germany for trying to sabotage military support for Ukraine.
According to Der Spiegel, the suspects were trying to obtain information about American military bases in Germany and were plotting attacks on military transportation routes in the country.
The main defendant is a 39-year-old Russian of German descent, Dieter S. He is accused of collaborating with Russian special services, agent activity for the purpose of sabotage and creating a security threat to military facilities.
According to the Federal Prosecutor's Office, Dieter S. arranged to carry out explosions and arson attacks on military infrastructure and industrial facilities in Germany. The second defendant is also a Russian of German descent, 37-year-old Aleksandr Y. He is accused of operating as an agent of the Russian special services: he has been in contact with Dieter S. since March 2024 at least.

The Center for Countering Disinformation is a special body, ensureing the implementation of measures to counteract current and projected threats to Ukraine's national security and national interests in the information sphere. Their recent investigation reveals a concerning escalation in Russia's use of social media in disseminating disinformation. t.me/United24media/20928

🇨🇭Switzerland to allocate 5 billion Swiss francs for Ukraine's recovery by 2036.
The funds will be allocated in phases. In particular, by 2028, 1.5 billion Swiss francs will be allocated from the international cooperation budget.
It is noted that the country has already allocated approximately 3 billion Swiss francs to support people affected by the war in Ukraine. The State Secretariat for Migration has allocated 2.5 billion of this amount to support Ukrainian asylum seekers in Switzerland.

The head of the Finnish parliament's defense committee, Jukka Kopra, believes that Russian oligarchs who own real estate in the country may cooperate with Russian intelligence.

Ukrainian drones are able to reach Siberia — The Economist.
“The best of the new models has a range of 3000 km,” the article says.

The Russians targeted the infrastructure of Ukrzaliznytsia (Ukrainian Railways) in Dnipro and the region, the press service of the carrier reported. There are injured among the railway workers, the information about the dead is being clarified.

Historian and Wikipedia contributor Yuriy Lushchay was killed near Bakhmut.
He was the author of dozens of scientific articles, was fluent in 6 languages, worked as a teacher, and was a regular Wikipedia contributor.

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DancesWithDucks · 19/04/2024 10:31

Live: Ukraine Telegram Highlights

Republican Party member Marjorie Taylor Greene has proposed (https://rules.house.gov/bill/118/hr-8035) a series of strange amendments to the Ukraine support bill
▫️One of them requires that any member of the House of Representatives who voted in favor of the Ukraine aid bill be required to join the Ukrainian Armed Forces;
▫️Another Greene's amendment is that Ukraine must "close all its biolabs" and provide all data on such "research;"
▫️Other amendments call for a report to prove that Christian churches in Ukraine can operate without government interference and that no funds can be used or spent "until the government of Ukraine holds free and fair elections";
The amendments are unlikely to gain support among Greene's colleagues because they are too extraordinary.
It is noteworthy that Greene's systematic anti-Ukrainian actions are also being criticized by her fellow party members. The day before, the Republican Fox News published (https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/marjorie-taylor-green-idiot-wreck-gop) a column titled "Marjorie Taylor Greene is an idiot. She is trying to wreck the GOP."

The dam in Kurgan, Russia, is leaking. Thousands of houses are under water.

Ukrainian photojournalist Julia Kochetova became one of the winners of the international World Press Photo award
Her multimedia project "War is Personal" won the Open Format category. It includes both photographs and music, graphics and poetry. In general, this award is the most prestigious for photojournalists.
"I wish these photos had never happened... "We serve people in need, people in action, and people at war - the pain, loss, horror, hope, and victory of life - it is extremely important to remember this," the author writes about her work.
You can see the full project here. https://kochetova.rocks/War-Is-Personal-project

The detailed distribution of aid to Ukraine from the new US bill, which the lower house of Congress will vote on this Saturday

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DancesWithDucks · 19/04/2024 10:36

I'm away for 2 nights and @blueshoes will kindly do the roundup. Thanks very much Blueshoes!

MontBlanc1 · 19/04/2024 12:03

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This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines - previously banned poster.

DancesWithDucks · 19/04/2024 12:11

do we stop and negotiate something now before summer offensive?

Are you in the Ukrainian leadership?

MontBlanc1 · 19/04/2024 12:27

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This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines - previously banned poster.

DancesWithDucks · 19/04/2024 12:35

Really? the collective Ukrainian leadership is asking that question?

Again, are you on it? Because Im following a lot of info and I haven't seen that question mentioned once. Since you seem to be unaware that Europe is gradually upping its armaments production, Czechia has an initiative to provide over a million shells (the first 300,000 to arrive by June) and the US Speaker of the House Johnson has finally timetabled the Ukraine aid bill for Saturday, presumably you need to do quite a bit more research before your points come over as anything other than hollow.

Also, just so's you know, you aren't Ukrainian, so you can't say "If the West isn't going to help us"

It's deceptive, dishonest and it gives a good impression of bullshit.

PerkingFaintly · 19/04/2024 12:36

Do will let Putin take more land, lives and infrastructure or do we stop and negotiate something now before summer offensive?

I don't understand this question. Putin has made it clear that his objective is to take Kyiv. For him, negotiating for Ukraine to stop fighting is just another strategy to achieve this.

Ukraine (or anyone else) does not have it in its power to stop Putin by negotiating.

This is an unpleasant truth - but a truth nonetheless.

DancesWithDucks · 19/04/2024 12:39

Article in the Financial Times calling for aid: https://twitter.com/FT/status/1781283492048908568

Just for your information, the current anti-Ukraine disinformation campaign run by Moscow is called the Black Hole. From UNITED24 Media Telegram:
https://twitter.com/Beefeater_Fella/status/1781236525293810067

Also for your information, Russia has been trying to buy politicians extensively and they push the line that Ukraine needs to negotiate and surrender too. That's in Europe, and specifically in Belgium and Austria. I can provide you with links too, if you like. Since your points are very similar, you might want to reconsider your sources of information. Since you do, of course, support Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/FT/status/1781283492048908568

blueshoes · 19/04/2024 12:55

@MontBlanc1 you are self-declared Ukrainian? You have been around but it is the first time you have said that. Maybe I missed it. Now you also privy to the views of the "collective Ukrainian leadership". Missed that one too.

Forgive me if your views of about 'letting' Putin keep his illegally destroyed and occupied Ukrainian territories, negotiating with a terrorist and categorical view that the West won't help us and implication there is a rift between Zelensky and his senior leadership has something of the whiff of the Kremlin about it.

Februaryfeels · 19/04/2024 13:01

Donation time

MagicFox · 19/04/2024 13:01

Well done guys

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MagicFox · 19/04/2024 13:06

Timothy Snyder taking down MTG. A mic drop moment. 1.5 minute clip. But hearing her talk seriously scares me, how can anybody take her seriously: x.com/matbabiak/status/1781038035431289053?s=46&t=ZRiOqYBPJdwGCarjKNzCeQ

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notimagain · 19/04/2024 13:11

But hearing her talk seriously scares me, how can anybody take her seriously

I know MTG sounds like an utter fruit loop but don’t forget the UK has got gorgeous George Galloway sitting as an MP.

Pick your constituency, say whatever you think they want to hear and bingo you’ve got a nice comfy job all at the tax payers expense….

WinterMorn · 19/04/2024 13:18

I love Timothy Snyder. Pure class. I recently read ‘On Tyranny’ and it’s excellent.

DancesWithDucks · 19/04/2024 13:34

MontBlanc1 was a PBP, it seems.

blueshoes · 19/04/2024 13:42

MagicFox · 19/04/2024 13:06

Timothy Snyder taking down MTG. A mic drop moment. 1.5 minute clip. But hearing her talk seriously scares me, how can anybody take her seriously: x.com/matbabiak/status/1781038035431289053?s=46&t=ZRiOqYBPJdwGCarjKNzCeQ

I am applauding Tim Snyder for his measured and reasoned response to MTG's 'I did not ask a question' inflammatory sound bite.

Can I say that woman is as repulsive as a man in a red catsuit.

blueshoes · 19/04/2024 13:44

DancesWithDucks · 19/04/2024 13:34

MontBlanc1 was a PBP, it seems.

Oh I see. Tried to sneak under the radar.

DancesWithDucks · 19/04/2024 13:46

I wonder if they really were an actual Russian troll, or just a PITA trying to be inflammatory.

MissConductUS · 19/04/2024 14:02

notimagain · 19/04/2024 13:11

But hearing her talk seriously scares me, how can anybody take her seriously

I know MTG sounds like an utter fruit loop but don’t forget the UK has got gorgeous George Galloway sitting as an MP.

Pick your constituency, say whatever you think they want to hear and bingo you’ve got a nice comfy job all at the tax payers expense….

Most of the voters in MTG's district in rural Georgia don't give a hoot about the fact that she's a nutter as long as she brings home the bacon in terms of money for local building projects, school aid, etc. The fact that she's "famous" is just the icing on the cake for most of them. They don't see her views on foreign affairs as being particularly important to their day-to-day lives, and many think that their money could be better spent on other things and that we should have much tougher border controls.

Immigration mayhem is a gift from the Biden administration to politicians like MTG.

blueshoes · 19/04/2024 16:29

https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/mike-johnson-opposed-ukraine-aid-then-he-risked-his-job-for-it-f4cf1176?mod=lead_feature_below_a_pos1

Some excerpts, while we wait the outcome.

"My philosophy is you do the right thing and you let the chips fall where they may,” Johnson told reporters on Wednesday when asked about the perils to his political future. “History judges us for what we do. This is a critical time right now, a critical time on the world stage.”



“It takes a lot of courage in this type of atmosphere in the Republican conference to look at 200 members and just say, ‘Look, I’ve made a decision,’ ” said Rep. Max Miller (R., Ohio). “The only way to move forward is to make a decision and lead.”

The decision completed an evolution for Johnson, who before he became speaker had never voted for money for Ukraine, not after Russia invaded the country in 2022, not months later when Kyiv surprised the world with the continuing strength of its resistance, not in December 2022 when more funds were packed into a giant spending bill. Once Johnson took the gavel, he said he was open to providing new funds to Ukraine, but also steadfastly insisted on tying strict new border policies to any new money.

Johnson said Wednesday that the intelligence briefings he received as speaker made a difference in his thinking. He also has been under unrelenting pressure from both the White House and congressional leaders of both parties, as well as from overseas allies, to provide funding for Ukraine before it was too late. Those efforts, combined with no support for the House Republicans’ border plans in the Democratic-controlled Senate, led him to ditch his insistence on immigration policy changes.

“I really do believe the intel and in the briefings that we’ve gotten,” Johnson said. “I believe Xi [Jinping] and Vladimir Putin and Iran really are an axis of evil,” warning that Russia could march west across Europe if not stopped now. “To put it bluntly, I would rather send bullets to Ukraine than American boys.”

He said that his son was starting at the Naval Academy in the fall, and that “this is a live fire exercise for me, as it is for so many American families. This is not a game. It’s not a joke. We can’t play politics on this. We have to do the right thing.”

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 19/04/2024 17:00

Beau of the Fifth Column had an interesting take on this, I think.

blueshoes · 19/04/2024 17:54

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 19/04/2024 17:00

Beau of the Fifth Column had an interesting take on this, I think.

Who is Beau of Fifth Column and what is his audience? I have to admit I could barely watch him. Felt like I should be polishing my tin hat. Do people take him seriously?

PS I don't mind if Mike Johnson becomes the next Mitch McConnell.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 19/04/2024 18:29

Yes, they do, possibly a hundred thousand or so of them, mostly Democrats I suspect. He talks a great deal of sense on a lot of subjects. His accent should not be taken as indicative of any particular political stance: that would be typecasting, or stereotyping, or something.

Not sure why you'd need a tin hat?

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