Thread 38 Sunak: Soooo, square one is an option then?

[AdamRyan]

Thanks to @cornettoninja For the epic title!

I think we should go with the idea someone came up with on the previous thread: Sunak: Government by Gaslight.

The great thing is he keeps managing to turn the corner into the same cul-de-sac?

What is the literal English translation of cul-de sac?

Literal translation is ‘bottom of the bag’ or perhaps more strictly ‘ass of the bag.’

I am reading about Plan Continuation Bias - basically carrying on a plan, even though the warning signs are there that it's not working, because you are so fixated on the plan. It was about the Torrey Canyon disaster.

It makes you wonder if Sunak and the Tories are so struck on sticking to their plan that they haven't realised that people aren't buying into it.

Cautionary Tales – DANGER: Rocks Ahead! (Classic) | Tim Harford

Well done these survivors:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68526577

Also Gove:

That doesn't mean that people who have gone on them are extremist, quite the opposite. But it means that you can begin to question: do you really want to be lending credence to this organisation? If you do, fair enough. But now there is no excuse for ignorance," he says.

I thought this was a purity spiral, aka a bad thing?

Downing Street Backtracks on Appointing its Chosen Anti-Muslim Hatred Advisor Who Concealed Conservative Neo-Nazi Ties – After Byline Times’ Inquiries

@NafeezAhmed reveals the inside story of Tell MAMA founder Fiyaz Mughal

https://bylinetimes.com/2024/03/09/downing-street-backtracks-on-appointing-its-chosen-anti-muslim-hatred-advisor-who-concealed-conservative-neo-nazi-ties-after-byline-times-inquiries/

That's quite a scary article, but also reads a bit like the journalist who wrote it is having a tantrum after not having the brilliance of his work recognised Not sure what to think

Good article, @DuncinToffee which shows why we aren't intervening at all in the Gaza situation; they are doing their job for them by killing each other as far as they are concerned. I had a feeling the manipulation of the definition of extremism wasn't to help either party in that war but to cover their own backsides and now we see how it will be used to their advantage, to discredit anyone wanting to help either side or by reporting on the fire starters. Makes Rishi look even more of a puppet on the world stage; no wonder he seems so wooden and was wheeled out for that speech in particular.

Happy Mothers Day all!

It is quite the open secret that the Tory party is more fascist than any we have ever had before. It's turned a lot of moderate Tories against them. We've known this since the run up to Brexit. It's always worth remembering that they are all still there, within the party and hold the same views.

Somewhat off topic, but I wonder about the quality of some of the journalists at Byline Times?

One of them called JK Rowling a "putrid c*nt" on Twitter. He did apologise but it's not very professional!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68526317

Meanwhile Boris is up to shady dealings now he isn't as accountable (not that he ever was). I keep hearing whispers they might try to reinstate him in some way.

I guess like with everywhere else some of them are good, others not so.

As for having a tantrum, isn't that what journalists do? Or is that just in films?

Time to remind Govey with his doublethink newspeak definitions of extremism that Orwell wrote us a warning, not a bloody guidebook for Gove and his mates. Quite a lot of us, Gove, have not yet had our brains fried as much as you suppose we have. Shameful doesn't begin to describe it, this government is the utter dregs of something very nasty. It needs to leave.

Obsessed by a single issue.
Focusing on it, spending time on it online, associating with people who have the same beliefs as you

Online behaviour

• rmore than one online identity
• spending more time online and accessing extremist online content
• downloading propaganda material

Increasingly agitated or violent behaviour

• rmore argumentative in their viewpoints
• being abusive to others
• justifying the use of violence to solve societal issues

Changing associations

• changed friends
• altered their style of dress or appearance to accord with an extremist group
• using a new vocabulary
• isolated from friends and family
• Increasingly anti-social behaviours
• unwilling to engage with people who are different
• secretive and reluctant to discuss their whereabouts
• adopted the use of certain symbols associated with terrorist organisations

At what point does people such as Farage who wanted Brexit so bad become an extremist?

Or Anderson?

How many of those points need to be ticked?

That's interesting - you are defined as an extremist if you access content that is extremist.

But how is that content defined as extremist? Is it because people who are defined as extremist access it?

More desperation or insanity? Give people a chance to vote to ditch our human rights

https://x.com/sundersays/status/1766620751300382986?s=20

- Government does not have the Commons votes for a referendum on the ECHR
- Timetable for referendum bill & campaign period would not work here
- Electoral Commission advises against referendum on general election day

Otherwise, vg plan

Happy Mothers Day

A brand new thread to fill
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5025316-thread-39-sunak-government-by-gaslight

WTF? Are they serious? Thank god it won't come to fruition.

It involves Johnson, I will leave it at that....