What happened in the House of Commons tonight?

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I'm struggling to understand what is going on and would be grateful is someone can explain to me in simple terms.

Why were Labour worried about the safety of MPs?

Why were the SNP unhappy?

Why were the Tories unhappy?

What's likely to happen next?

Are MPs who don't take a Pro-Palestinian stance really putting their lives at risk?

Do you really believe this nonsense?
That Labour are ‘limping on’ purely because of ‘back room deals’?
Elections are never foregone conclusions, of course they could lose - but do you really believe this is an accurate description of the situation?

This.

What blanket 20mph is this? The one that shows only some roads at 20? And the petition which it’s been shown has a large number of signatories not in Wales?

@ChardonnaysBeastlyCat
I very very much doubt the Labour party is splitting.

On the contrary. He’s a decent man and generally good leader, with solid left wing beliefs and principles. Where do you live, out of interest?

Questions over Labour maybe.
None over the Tories because we absolutely know they are liars, cheats, corrupt, lawbreakers etc etc.
And you want them to continue?

An opposition, yes. It doesn’t have to be the Tories. Other parties are available. And more credible.

Avoiding the issue via the speaker doesn’t make it go away

A party always has factions, Labour’s faction is surfacing and Starmer will need to work out how to deal with it

Given precedent, it had been thought that the government's decsision to lay an amendment to the SNP’s opposition day motion calling for a ceasefire in Gaza, could have prevent Labour's own amendment for an “immediate humanitarian ceasefire” from being discussed

The government laying their own amendment had threatened the possibility of a debate on the Labour amendment, as is usual convention that the Government amendment to an opposition day motion would be selected over any put forward by other parties.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/opposition-day-snp-palestine-gaza-labour-keir-starmer-conservatives#:~:text=%E2%80%9CWhen%20you%20have%20an%20opposition,of%20Hoyle's%20decision%20this%20afternoon.

Well, you suggested that pointing out Boris was worse if Labour make mistakes would be tiresome. Which suggests you think it won’t be a justified criticism - when it clearly will.

Labour is still strong, this is not going to break it.
Starmer needs to stop allowing himself to be played, and pulled one way and another. That is all.

Also @EasternStandard I see you swerved my point about the outcome.
In respect of parliament, do you think following precedent is more important than reaching a position that reflects the majority of MPs?

I may not fully like and get what is going on with Labour's leader, but I know for 100% sure all about the Tories, and I do not like it, one bit.

I think getting a representative position is most democratic and for some reason the SNP and the Conservatives have lost sight of that.

No swerving at all, I found it odd tbh that you think it should impact process

It’s also just your preference

You don’t change process because an mner thinks an outcome is desired. Thankfully

That’s what MPs are for and for that you need the actual vote via the process

What would his play be though?

it’s all very polarised. He won’t be able to
sit this one out on the fence.

He used his speaker card already, saved by the safety issue

If it comes up again he’ll have to deal with it

Given the instability in the ME the leader can’t just urge a speaker to avoid it long term

I think an accurate assessment would be that Starmer is desperately trying to hold together a violently divided and weak Labour Party that has a very real problem with antisemitism racism and with women. It cuts right through the heart of the party. It is now almost entirely estranged from its roots of a working class base and is now adrift in terms of concrete policies or direction.

Their track record for over spending money we don’t have and managing the economy is dire.

They have an incompetent and weak leader and a hard left deputy sitting on her hands until she can pounce.

They are divided on every subject.
So no I don’t have any problem in saying there is zero chance of a landslide or even a major win. My bet is on a hung parliament, or possibly a very thin conservative win. The LP managed to alienate the millions of Brexit supporters in the Labour Party and I expect they will move to reform or similar.

Shouldn't you be marking homework.

@ChardonnaysBeastlyCat No need to sit on the fence, just sit on his position, that he has, that the party has, without no need to respond to every little provocation.

Ok @Newchapterbeckons
Totally divorced from the reality of which party is actually divided. Not going to directly reference other threads, but this seems to be a theme.
There’s really no lint in trying to debate with someone who is so determined to blow things out of all proportion with one party while totally ignor8ng worse 8n another. I’ll disengage from you now.

Oh ffs
No.
Im semi retired.
Totally up to date with all my work.
Not in the land of make believe with regard to the law in Wales. Or anything else.

I do not believe, for one second, that racism, anti-semitism, sexism, or any other ism... is running rifle in the Labour party, at all!
It is a big party, so there will always be a bruised apple here and there, but -isms in a well formed, long standing, party in UK, no way, there is not plenty of it.
And, actually, it is a good thing to separate the bruised, rotten apples, which will always make headlines in the news.

Their track record for over spending money we don’t have and managing the economy is dire.

https://theconversation.com/labour-are-much-better-at-running-the-economy-than-voters-think-new-research-162368

Surely it's a major issue that 100 Labour mp's would have voted for a statement that not only ignores hamas but also uses wording of war crimes by the phrase collective punishment?
That was what starmer didn't want the public to know.
Also if we really are wanting a representative vote the snp one would be most popular, but real politik means there would be no way a UK gov could put out those words. Its not actually about populism, democracy is not just the majority but meant to also be about equality and due process, not fully just representation.