What happened in the House of Commons tonight?

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I'm struggling to understand what is going on and would be grateful is someone can explain to me in simple terms.

Why were Labour worried about the safety of MPs?

Why were the SNP unhappy?

Why were the Tories unhappy?

What's likely to happen next?

Are MPs who don't take a Pro-Palestinian stance really putting their lives at risk?

both amendments were allowed. So Tories could have voted against the Labour one and it wouldn’t have been accepted, then voted for their own and it would. They have a majority. So what was the issue, for them?

Exactly. Because that’s how it works with the Speaker. So many on here pontificating about arcane bits of procedure when some don’t even know how a Speaker is selected.

It’s not a game.
Also nothing would be over. There’s not going to be a vote of no confidence against him. Labour are miles ahead in the polls under his leadership.
Most people won’t even register any of this, or will think it’s nothing much to do with them.

Should have just faced the revolt then

Rather than using Hoyle to avoid it

There’s no evidence Hoyle was ‘used’. Starmer told him his concerns. Hoyle made a decision. He’s a big boy. Been in politics ages.

Exactly. It’s ridiculous to behave as if he’s some kind of puppet

No confidence votes are there and climbing for that reason

Starmer told him his concerns.

I bet he did: “Lindsay, come on, please! I’m going to get humiliated!”

Not for that reason at all. It’s pure politicking.

I imagine the Conservatives supporters on this thread were equally angry when Theresa May refused to amend motions or divide the house on Opposition Days. A deliberate policy to deny any votes at all.

Johnson repeated this manoeuvre.

Then there was that grubby business trying to thwart Parliamentary process to retrospectively get Paterson off the lobbying hook.

”But Boris…”

And more fool them in that case.

This will be constant when Labour get in and fuck up as a pp pointed out.

I know. It was me.

So it was! Apologies.

We had the tractors and farmers out today locally. Drakeford was here, he doesn't like farmers. A farmer we know attended when he got home tonight a police officer was there. His family have received a death threat. The worlds gone nuts when a local hill farmer can't protest. So it doesn't surprise me that MPs receive death threats .

This. Especially given how much he has ceded to the Tories in the last 5 years.

Of course the whole thing is politicking, but then, it is politics. The speaker shouldn't break with precedent in the middle of a situation; sure, there might be an argument to allow more amendments on an opposition day, but that's a decision which should be reached via the proper channels, not in the middle of a debate.

The whole thing is meaningless anyway. You can bet Netenyahu wasn't watching the Commons last night saying, "oh, they want a ceasefire, better do it." Or if he was watching, he had a good laugh.

What I don't understand (and apologies if it's been covered earlier) is why they had a vote for the House to sit in private. Were they serious? Or just stalling for time to get to 7pm so that the vote would be scratched? Incidentally, whenever I hear William Wragg's name, I always imagine this old, balding Tory guy with a stoop. Every time I'm surprised that he's actually a youngish bloke with blonde hair! His name just sounds so...elderly Tory.

"Of course the whole thing is politicking, but then, it is politics. The speaker shouldn't break with precedent in the middle of a situation; sure, there might be an argument to allow more amendments on an opposition day, but that's a decision which should be reached via the proper channels, not in the middle of a debate."

Depends on the larger strategy of it all

Of course the whole thing is politicking, but then, it is politics. The speaker shouldn't break with precedent in the middle of a situation;

Yep. Politicking - such as urging the speaker to break from standard procedure to avoid a 100 MP revolt

We were talking about the no confidence votes for Hoyle. 🤷‍♀️

Politicians on all sides have quickly turned the conversation onto issues of their own safety and the speaker, hardley any mention of the fact the house agreed to a ceasefire. The vote was always about politicking from all sides, think it's niave to think otherwise.

Yes Starmer is lucky to avoid more questions on why he felt he should urge the speaker to change process

If a 100 MPs had revolted it would all have died down in a few days, now it's whipped up a storm

Exactly. The whole debacle was caused by members of every party. Except possibly Caroline Lucas. Labour, Tories and SNP are all to blame.