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Bookridden · 2024-02-21T21:19:46+00:00

I'm struggling to understand what is going on and would be grateful is someone can explain to me in simple terms. Why were Labour worried about the safety of MPs? Why were the SNP unhappy? Why were the Tories unhappy? What's likely to happen next? Are MPs who don't take a Pro-Palestinian stance really putting their lives at risk?

Notonthestairs · 22/02/2024 20:40

EasternStandard · 22/02/2024 20:31

They had their own amendment

Labour were the only ones facing a major revolt

Exactly. So the Conservatives were free to vote down both the Labour & SNP motions, and then vote in favour of their own motion which would have carried because they have the majority.
Why didn't they just do that?

EasternStandard · 22/02/2024 20:41

Notonthestairs · 22/02/2024 20:40

Exactly. So the Conservatives were free to vote down both the Labour & SNP motions, and then vote in favour of their own motion which would have carried because they have the majority.
Why didn't they just do that?

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Because Hoyle bent to Starmer when he shouldn’t have

PerkingFaintly · 22/02/2024 20:41

The Tories had their own amendment... which they were so confident would be supported by their own MPs that they chickened out of voting on it.

Make of that what you will...

EasternStandard · 22/02/2024 20:42

PerkingFaintly · 22/02/2024 20:41

The Tories had their own amendment... which they were so confident would be supported by their own MPs that they chickened out of voting on it.

Make of that what you will...

Are you aware of how many Labour MPs were going to revolt?

Have you read anything on that

Notonthestairs · 22/02/2024 20:42

But they wanted a vote on their motion. They could vote down the other motions & vote their motion through.
They have the majority.

Dogfisher · 22/02/2024 20:43

PerkingFaintly · 22/02/2024 20:32

So in summary, as far as I've been able to make out...

Labour MPs were happy to, and did, support a motion which called for a ceasefire in Gaza and also condemned the massacre by Hamas.

But the other parties tried to use a technical procedure to create a visual where Labour MPs either did or didn't vote for the SNP's motion which failed to mention the Hamas massacre and effectively accused Israel of war crimes, with the aim of cherry-picking this to sell to a carefully segmented audience. So that Muslim voters would be told that Labour was anti-Muslim, and simultaneously Jewish voters would be told that Labour was anti-Jew.

All very much as TRAs attempt to provoke, and then screenshot what they then claim as gotchas by removing the context.

Labour's amendment avoided this planned cleft-stick, and the Tories, who don't give a monkey's about Parliamentary procedure or convention and would have faced a split themselves if they'd actually voted, are now shouting very loudly in faux rage to attempt to salvage something from the night.

Is that about right?

No, wrong. What have trans rights activists got to do with this? Have I missed something?

Dogfisher · 22/02/2024 20:44

MeinKraft · 22/02/2024 20:37

Yes, that's right. It's the usual pre election smear campaign against Labour.

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How ridiculous.

PerkingFaintly · 22/02/2024 20:44

No, it's just a popular tactic at the moment, and that was an example of it which gets cited on MN and so may be familiar.

ThatKookyNewt · 22/02/2024 20:58

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Dogfisher · 22/02/2024 21:13

Bloody hell - that site is diabolical! That link should really be taken down FFS.

Clavinova · 22/02/2024 21:14

PerkingFaintly · 22/02/2024 20:41

The Tories had their own amendment... which they were so confident would be supported by their own MPs that they chickened out of voting on it.

Make of that what you will...

A Conservative MP said on LBC this afternoon that they were worried their amendment wouldn't even be voted on as there probably wouldn't be enough time.

Clavinova · 22/02/2024 21:24

how many Labour MPs were going to revolt?

From the Guardian;

Earlier in the week, [Starmer] had been warned that as many as 100 of his MPs – including at least two of his shadow cabinet – were willing to rebel by voting for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza unless Labour brought forward its own amendment calling for one.

Newchapterbeckons · 22/02/2024 21:43

Dogfisher · 22/02/2024 21:13

Bloody hell - that site is diabolical! That link should really be taken down FFS.

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Another Labour smear.
anything to deflect

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 22/02/2024 21:43

Clavinova · 22/02/2024 21:24

how many Labour MPs were going to revolt?

From the Guardian;

Earlier in the week, [Starmer] had been warned that as many as 100 of his MPs – including at least two of his shadow cabinet – were willing to rebel by voting for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza unless Labour brought forward its own amendment calling for one.

And there we have it.

What a fucking nonsense the Labour Party is. Mass rebellion looms and suddenly it’s deep concern for safety.

Still, the next 10 inevitable years of Labour government should provide much entertainment.

I imagine that on here it’ll be 10 years of ‘but Boris…’ This place can become ButBorisNet.

Newchapterbeckons · 22/02/2024 21:43

Clavinova · 22/02/2024 21:24

how many Labour MPs were going to revolt?

From the Guardian;

Earlier in the week, [Starmer] had been warned that as many as 100 of his MPs – including at least two of his shadow cabinet – were willing to rebel by voting for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza unless Labour brought forward its own amendment calling for one.

Over 100 MPs. Imagine that all over the headlines. Game over for Keir.

EasternStandard · 22/02/2024 21:44

Clavinova · 22/02/2024 21:24

how many Labour MPs were going to revolt?

From the Guardian;

Earlier in the week, [Starmer] had been warned that as many as 100 of his MPs – including at least two of his shadow cabinet – were willing to rebel by voting for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza unless Labour brought forward its own amendment calling for one.

Yes it seems pp missed this

Newchapterbeckons · 22/02/2024 21:44

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 22/02/2024 21:43

And there we have it.

What a fucking nonsense the Labour Party is. Mass rebellion looms and suddenly it’s deep concern for safety.

Still, the next 10 inevitable years of Labour government should provide much entertainment.

I imagine that on here it’ll be 10 years of ‘but Boris…’ This place can become ButBorisNet.

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😊

ThatKookyNewt · 22/02/2024 21:45

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LimeViewer · 22/02/2024 21:47

This and his inability to define a woman really are starting to show Keir to be utterly spineless. Can they really win the election?

OtherS · 22/02/2024 21:50

LimeViewer · 22/02/2024 21:47

This and his inability to define a woman really are starting to show Keir to be utterly spineless. Can they really win the election?

The closer we get and the more we see the more worried I become. But then, what's the alternative? Can anyone really bring themselves to vote for the Tories again?! Scary times.

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 22/02/2024 21:51

LimeViewer · 22/02/2024 21:47

This and his inability to define a woman really are starting to show Keir to be utterly spineless. Can they really win the election?

Yes, of course they’ll win the election. It will be the biggest landslide in British political history.

Then we’ll see if they really are the caring, sharing, clean, ethical and competent party so many on MN say they are.

BIossomtoes · 22/02/2024 22:02

Neverpostagain · 22/02/2024 19:41

No it's because he is a former labour MP.

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He’s not a former Labour MP. He’s a current Labour MP.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 22/02/2024 22:04

kitfree1 · 22/02/2024 14:54

I thought that the topic was about how Starmer doesn't know what a kitten is and thinks that puppies can become kittens?

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😂 You win this thread.

DuncinToffee · 22/02/2024 22:07

Spineless Starmer who managed to bend Hoyle to his will, how does that work 🤔

BIossomtoes · 22/02/2024 22:11

DuncinToffee · 22/02/2024 22:07

Spineless Starmer who managed to bend Hoyle to his will, how does that work 🤔

Schrödinger’s Starmer.

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