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Anyone familiar with getting refunds for train tickets?

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TrainChaos · 21/02/2024 16:58

Have namechanged as this is outing.
I’ve been turned down for a train ticket refund, via the app I bought the tickets from, with no explanation and the only option to follow up is through automated chat which isn’t helpful.

I’m hoping if I can explain the circumstances someone could point me in the right direction.

Ds and I had tickets to return home from a short trip to London. As Kings Cross northern line is out of action we had to go to St Pancras instead - we got there an hour early (DS is autistic, being organised and early helps him) to be herded by East Midlands Railway staff into a queue that had over a thousand passengers waiting for a train (I am also autistic and didn’t have the time to process the unexpected - with hindsight I know exactly what I should have done!).
Our train was the 18.02 to Sheffield but all ticket systems were abandoned in favour of a “queue everyone up and cram as many people onto a train as possible” chaotic disaster.
EMR staff were shouting at people to keep them as close to each other as possible, and were avoiding passengers as many were, understandably, angry.
We queued for over an hour and a half, couldn’t see anyone to talk to, were too jammed in to easily get out of the queue, when ds had a meltdown - he was trying to run away and was sobbing (his first public meltdown), so we had to push backwards out of the queue to get out. By that time we would miss our last connecting train which would add more chaos for ds, so i eventually found someone who would talk to me, who was lovely and said she could get us on the next train, but agreed that by that stage we would be better applying for a refund for that journey, buying another set of tickets and booking assistance.
I did that, and had to book an extra night at a hotel as ds by that time was unable to travel anywhere. I booked more tickets, applied for a refund, booked assistance, all well.
The refund has been refused so including the hotel I’m over £200 down.

I knew the northern line was down, but was certain that ds could cope with the journey based on the (I think) reasonable assumption that we’d get on the train we booked (I’ve travelled on trains a lot and have never had anything like this happen!). Ds managed the train journeys the next day fine, helped by being able to avoid the initial queue as I’d booked assistance (which I will do from now on!).

EMR says I have to apply through the app I bought the tickets from (TrainPal), but they’ve rejected the claim.

What do I do? Can I ask EMR for the cost of the hotel back too?

Had there been any warning that they would adopt a first come first served system, ignoring any of the times that passengers had booked, I would have had time to make other arrangements. Apart from knowing that the journey would take three trains instead of 1, and being 1-2 hours longer, there was no warning of the utter chaos that was St Pancras on Sunday night.

Thank you if you’ve managed to get through all of that!

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TrainChaos · 21/02/2024 18:26

Asking if I might get a refund for the hotel was a bit of a long shot, and I know that’s very unlikely, but I didn’t know if it was worth pursuing.

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Brefugee · 21/02/2024 18:31

EMR and the trains to the North have been an absolute shit show, i got caught up in it a couple of weeks ago, and speaking to people in the huge queue it seems that nobody knew about it until they got there.
Sorry, though, no idea how to get a refund, they seem to be as rare as hen''s teeth.

TrainChaos · 21/02/2024 18:35

Brefugee · 21/02/2024 18:31

EMR and the trains to the North have been an absolute shit show, i got caught up in it a couple of weeks ago, and speaking to people in the huge queue it seems that nobody knew about it until they got there.
Sorry, though, no idea how to get a refund, they seem to be as rare as hen''s teeth.

It was awful! No one had a clue. It was distressing even without autism in the mix.
No one knew what was happening. Staff wouldn’t explain anything and were rude and shouting at people. Absolute shambles!

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NotDavidTennant · 21/02/2024 18:37

You won't get a refund for the hotel but you should be entitled to delay repay. Even if you'd have waited and got a later train you would have been delayed in reaching your destination.

TrainChaos · 21/02/2024 18:40

NotDavidTennant · 21/02/2024 18:37

You won't get a refund for the hotel but you should be entitled to delay repay. Even if you'd have waited and got a later train you would have been delayed in reaching your destination.

Thank you, that makes sense.

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CatsLikeBoxes · 21/02/2024 18:49

[email protected] that's their email. I've done a delay repay claim that way instead of completing delay repay online form before, and they replied within a few days. Worth contacting them to explain situation - have you still got tickets / screenshots of tickets / cost etc?

Karwomannghia · 21/02/2024 18:53

I wasn’t able to get a train because it was too full. They ended up paying for me to share a taxi. I also applied for a refund directly with the rail company which I got. Because I was delayed by over 2 hours. They tried to say it ran but I told them it was impossible to board.

The other thing is make sure you definitely didn’t have travel insurance you can claim on.

Moier · 21/02/2024 18:53

Do you have insurance? My annual holiday insurance covers days out n breaks in the UK too.
If you get no joy I'd take it to the ombudsman.

Cvoight · 21/02/2024 18:59

Was this Sunday 11th? EMR out of St Pancras was hell that day. That top floor of station just awful - I gave up too.

Brefugee · 21/02/2024 19:01

that's the day i was there. I was due to get the 17:36 (i actually got on the next train, but that was mostly because i'd come in on the Eurostar and had a 3 hour changeover time)

The staff were appalling, EMR were more helpful on twitter, but bottom line was they were putting extra people on trains, but not laying on extra trains (which they should have)

TrainChaos · 21/02/2024 19:09

Cvoight · 21/02/2024 18:59

Was this Sunday 11th? EMR out of St Pancras was hell that day. That top floor of station just awful - I gave up too.

The week after, the 18th. I don’t blame you for giving up, it was horrendous!

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TrainChaos · 21/02/2024 19:11

Brefugee · 21/02/2024 19:01

that's the day i was there. I was due to get the 17:36 (i actually got on the next train, but that was mostly because i'd come in on the Eurostar and had a 3 hour changeover time)

The staff were appalling, EMR were more helpful on twitter, but bottom line was they were putting extra people on trains, but not laying on extra trains (which they should have)

I felt vaguely sorry for staff, they’d been put in a dreadful situation, but they had no empathy for passengers.

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TrainChaos · 21/02/2024 19:12

No insurance. It’s never occurred to me to insure UK travel.

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Brefugee · 21/02/2024 19:49

TrainChaos · 21/02/2024 19:11

I felt vaguely sorry for staff, they’d been put in a dreadful situation, but they had no empathy for passengers.

on the way up (11th) i started feeling sorry for them until i found out that EMR had put out a tweet at 10:30 that day saying there would be queues and to get there early. Then - with massive suitcase - found out the up escalator was broken, as were both of the lifts. I went to the lifts near the corner and 5 employees said "the other one has just bee fixed, go to that". When i got there (other end of concourse) it was all taped up. The up escalator could have been switched on now and again but they CBA.

Shrugs when i said "and how should i get this up the stairs?" as it happened as i was lugging it up a young woman took it from me, and said "i know we don't like asking for help, but we should take it when we need it" which was lovely, and i really did need it.

Staff were getting a LOT of stick, but frankly? their attitude was awful. So while they didn't deserve a lot of it, i couldn't feel too bad for them. knows how anyone in a wheelchair got on.

Coming back on 18th one lift worked (thankfully - as were both down escalators - but the queue for the lift was ridiculous. There was no reason one of the down escalators couldn't have been used to go up.

Tanni-Grey Thompson was about 2 trains after me and also had issues.

schloss · 21/02/2024 20:06

Post your question on Railforums - they will help, have a lot of knowledge of all the rules and regs, some who post actually work for train operators.

StrangewaysHereWeCome · 21/02/2024 20:06

I had success with the ombudsman when Avanti wouldn't give me the refund to which I was really very obviously entitled, as my issue didn't fit neatly into the delay repay system. The Avanti humans were no use either. I also got a small amount of compensation for the fact that they should have paid out without me writing eleventy billion emails.

LynetteScavo · 21/02/2024 20:21

NotDavidTennant · 21/02/2024 18:37

You won't get a refund for the hotel but you should be entitled to delay repay. Even if you'd have waited and got a later train you would have been delayed in reaching your destination.

This is what I was about to say. You couldn't physically get in the train, so even if you got on the next one you would have been delayed.

Whether you got the train later that day or three days later isn't relevant- how late your train was is. You need to appeal (I don't know how you do that) to say it wasn't possible to get on to the train you'd booked and therefor you were late home.

LutonBeds · 21/02/2024 20:30

@TellySavalashairbrush you can’t (AFAIK) buy TfL tickets on Trainline. Where did you start and finish your journey. Mentioning touching in/out makes me think it was Oyster which isn’t available on Trainline.

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