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Can’t bring myself to notify my dads friend of his death

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bahhamburgers · 17/02/2024 09:14

My dad died a few weeks ago. Particularly horrible death at the end of three long years with dementia, the last two in a care home. It’s just me, only family so I’ve had to fight every step of the way for him. I am exhausted from it. I sat next to him for his last three days/nights and was with him when he died.

My mum died when I was a young child and he met a woman when I was 14, she absolutely hated me and was just vile. They never lived together or married but were friends for 30 odd years. I left home at 16 and never had anything to do with her again really.

Two years ago when it was apparent that my dad, who was then 84 was getting ill (she is 20 years younger than him, for context, so not an elderly lady herself). I called her begged her for Help with him. There is no one else. No other family or friends. She refused. And she told me all sorts of horrible things, about how much he hated me, all the awful things he had said about me since I was young, how over the last few years he had been saying what an evil person I am. I ended up having to hang up. I’d already been though a year of hell begging HCP and social care for help, I couldn’t take being told how terrible I am on top of all that.

I was so upset, I hung up. She doesn’t have my contact details and my dad was too far gone to use his phone anymore and went into a care home the next week. we had tried him living with us, but my youngest child was a baby and it was too dangerous, we had a couple of close calls and I had to put my children’s safety first.

When he died, I had to call a couple of other friends that he’d left instructions to call. The same thing. They told me that he was always saying what a terrible person I am, how horrible I was to him, that I never bothered with him, how I never saw him (we saw him every week, I nursed him though cancer, he stayed with me during recovery from cancer ops, he told people I hadn’t bothered with him).

Why these people felt the need to tell me those things when I was calling them to tell them my father had died two days previously and I was crying, I’ll never know. It wasn’t true.

I don’t blame him though. From reading things he’d written over the last decade, I think the dementia had been present for a long time. He just hid it well. And I have learned no one would have cared anyway. I took him to his GP in desperation, he was sat there saying what a nice cruise ship it was and the GP kept insisting he was fine, just depressed. He ended up in hospital, hallucinating that aliens had taken the place over and social workers kept telling me he was fine and they had no concerns. So this was a long time coming. I think he was telling people I hated him so they would look after him on the days I couldn’t.

Anyway, I need to tell that woman. He would have wanted me to. He asked me to in a letter he wrote a few years ago.

I just can’t face the barrage of shit I know she will unleash. I don’t need to hear yet again how much my dad hated me. I’ve been though hell for him over the last few years. I’ve missed half my toddlers life dealing with everything (he was abused in one care home, I had to deal with it all, again, no one really cared).

Dh said he would do it. But part of me wants to scream how much I’ve been though. not just the last few years, but looking after him my whole bloody life.

Sorry this is so long.

If I was this awful person who hated him, believe me, I would have had a much easier life. I loved him so much.
I have to believe he was saying all that for attention (he’s been saying awful things about me since I was a teenager, according to all these dickheads who thought it was appropriate to tell me that), and it got worse when dementia started.

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bahhamburgers · 17/02/2024 10:47

Leopardmatches · 17/02/2024 10:42

Personally, I wouldn’t post a notice in the local paper. Everyone that needs to know knows,apart from her . All death notices do is make it easy for weirdos to contact you. People are vulnerable after the death of a loved one and scammers play on this.

Edited

Yeah. I won’t be doing that.

None of them lived in the same area anyway. So it would be pointless.

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FlippityFloppityFlump · 17/02/2024 10:51

Please don't put yourself through speaking to this woman. You've had an horrendous time and don't need to go through anymore.

Get DH to phone her to tell her. Job done and then move on.

GuessThatGranny · 17/02/2024 10:53

I'm sorry for your loss.

you owe this woman nothing, and telling her will bring nothing good to your life.

TotalDramarama24 · 17/02/2024 10:59

Personally I wouldn't bother phoning her. It would make me feel better to let her spend her life wondering what had happened to him, or better still that he was still around but not bothered about keeping in touch with her.

Even if you do decide to call her don't do it now. Wait until you are feeling stronger and less emotional so soon after your dad's death, and then you will be in a place to fire at her with both barrels. You may have promised your dad you would let her know of his passing but you didn't specify when you would do it.

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 17/02/2024 11:01

I think for your own peace of mind and closure, I would phone her in a couple of weeks, but definitely after the funeral. Just ring, say, "I'm very sorry to tell you that X has passed away. We buried him yesterday. He was peaceful at the end." Let this sink in for a moment, and then before she has any time to say anything, say "Goodbye" and put the phone down. Then block her. Job done.

MintyCedric · 17/02/2024 11:01

I think this will weigh on your mind until it’s sorted, so either take your DH up on his offer to call her, or text her landline then block and delete her number, and that way you can lay it to rest.

Saschka · 17/02/2024 11:04

bahhamburgers · 17/02/2024 10:46

No, they were just friends of my dad and angry at me as he told them all I abandoned him.

They didn’t know me, they had no way of knowing it wasn’t true.

If you had a very good friend who told you how awful their family were, for years, and one day they called you after you hadn’t heard from that person for three heard telling you they had died, wouldn’t you think they had a fucking cheek to sound upset? After all, they had been stealing money, being horrible, leaving them on their own when they were elderly, lonely and had cancer?

They didn’t know me. They only knew what my dad told them. of course they were angry and lashed out at me when I told them he’d died.

I do understand it.

Well no, I really don’t think it is normal behaviour from an adult. You might think it, you might bitch to your own partner, but I really cannot imagine anyone, let alone multiple people, launching into a tirade at a grieving daughter. It’s extremely unusual behaviour. As is falling out with your friends because you’ve decided they are having an affair with your boyfriend, based on no evidence, but still being fine with the boyfriend remaining friends with the OW for decades afterwards.

Your father’s behaviour in telling everyone that you are evil, stealing money from him, being cruel to him etc could be explained by the dementia, but not when he has apparently been saying it since you were a child and he was in his 50s. That really isn’t normal behaviour from a grieving widower towards his bereaved child either.

Wanting attention from other people to the point where you are telling multiple people that your child is evil is so far beyond normal parenting that most people hearing it would not agree with him that his child must definitely be evil, instead they would wonder if he had a screw loose. But not his friends, apparently they were cheering him on and agreeing with him that you were horrible, despite never having met you. In between accusing each other of sleeping with him and cutting each other off.

None of this is normal behaviour OP. It is all really, really strange behaviour. You can still love your dad and remember him, and it’s nice that you are trying to be understanding towards these awful friends of his, but it might be better for your mental health to just write them all off as nutcases and move on.

tsmainsqueeze · 17/02/2024 11:07

DO NOT TELL HER ! why add to your distress , it's over now ,you and your family are the only people that matter.

Andthereyougo · 17/02/2024 11:11

I’m sorry for your loss and for the crap spouted by your dad’s friends.
I think you’re right about the dementia having started much earlier but masked. I’ve just been told a friend of mine has the early stage of dementia but I can now see she’s been saying weird things for the last year at least.

I think a factual text or just a card my post. Dad died on xx date at x time.
Block her number in case she starts bombarding you with questions or demands.
And ignore the stuff his friends came out with. You went above and beyond to look after your father.

bahhamburgers · 17/02/2024 11:11

Saschka · 17/02/2024 11:04

Well no, I really don’t think it is normal behaviour from an adult. You might think it, you might bitch to your own partner, but I really cannot imagine anyone, let alone multiple people, launching into a tirade at a grieving daughter. It’s extremely unusual behaviour. As is falling out with your friends because you’ve decided they are having an affair with your boyfriend, based on no evidence, but still being fine with the boyfriend remaining friends with the OW for decades afterwards.

Your father’s behaviour in telling everyone that you are evil, stealing money from him, being cruel to him etc could be explained by the dementia, but not when he has apparently been saying it since you were a child and he was in his 50s. That really isn’t normal behaviour from a grieving widower towards his bereaved child either.

Wanting attention from other people to the point where you are telling multiple people that your child is evil is so far beyond normal parenting that most people hearing it would not agree with him that his child must definitely be evil, instead they would wonder if he had a screw loose. But not his friends, apparently they were cheering him on and agreeing with him that you were horrible, despite never having met you. In between accusing each other of sleeping with him and cutting each other off.

None of this is normal behaviour OP. It is all really, really strange behaviour. You can still love your dad and remember him, and it’s nice that you are trying to be understanding towards these awful friends of his, but it might be better for your mental health to just write them all off as nutcases and move on.

I am moving on. we are just all different. And while I know it was a cunty thing to do, I am allowed to feel the way I do and understand behaviours.

My dads relationship with her was an odd one. In the beginning, she wanted marriage etc and he made it clear that it was never going to happen. She’s very well off and lived all over the world so it was very on/off anyway.

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EBearhug · 17/02/2024 11:15

I would tell her, because it would bother me if I didn't. If her landline is the only way to contact her, there's no option of writing a factual letter or anything, but I would ask someone else to make the actual call, be it husband or a good friend.

ohdamnitjanet · 17/02/2024 11:19

I’m sure you were a fabulous daughter and he never said those things. People can just be awful. I definitely wouldn’t tell her, or contact her again, she obviously doesn’t care about him anyway. Be kind to yourself, forget all about her, you’ve had an awful time.

diddl · 17/02/2024 11:29

Perhaps if you can forgive him for saying it you can forgive others for believing it?

If I have understood you took him to live with you, told no one where he was & then suddenly contacted an ex gf of his for help?

In some ways I'm not surprised she gave you an earful!

I don't think you need to contact her though as at that point she didn't ask how to get in touch/visit with your dad which surely she would have done if concerned about him?

Tombero · 17/02/2024 11:32

I don’t shy away from difficult things but in your situation I’d ask my DH to phone (withhold the number) and tell her. Then it’s done and you can draw a line under it.

You have clearly been a good daughter and you sound very magnanimous. But there’s no need to put yourself in the firing line again.

Maraa · 17/02/2024 11:34

Does this woman have social media? If so, I’d send a message on that and block immediately. I’m so sorry for your loss and what you have to deal with. X

HotChocolateNotCocoa · 17/02/2024 11:41

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 17/02/2024 11:01

I think for your own peace of mind and closure, I would phone her in a couple of weeks, but definitely after the funeral. Just ring, say, "I'm very sorry to tell you that X has passed away. We buried him yesterday. He was peaceful at the end." Let this sink in for a moment, and then before she has any time to say anything, say "Goodbye" and put the phone down. Then block her. Job done.

This is perfect. I’d also take your husband up on his offer to do it. He’s less likely to get drawn into anything.

I’m sorry you’re having to go through this.

blooblom · 17/02/2024 11:42

You don't need to do anything OP. Apart from looking after yourself and your family now. Underneath the dementia, your dad loved you and appreciated everything you did for him, he wouldn't what you to now be struggling because of this ghastly woman. She did not care about him enough to help you. You owe her nothing.

bahhamburgers · 17/02/2024 11:44

diddl · 17/02/2024 11:29

Perhaps if you can forgive him for saying it you can forgive others for believing it?

If I have understood you took him to live with you, told no one where he was & then suddenly contacted an ex gf of his for help?

In some ways I'm not surprised she gave you an earful!

I don't think you need to contact her though as at that point she didn't ask how to get in touch/visit with your dad which surely she would have done if concerned about him?

Yes, like I said, of course they believed him. Why wouldn’t they? They didn’t know me. They had to go off what he said to them.

It wasn’t like he disappeared and then I called her asking for help. they were in regular contact. I cannot tell you how fast my dad declined.

In the January, he was fine. Yes, I think, looking back and seeing things he’d written he was masking aspects of dementia, but he was trying to sell his house to move where I had moved to and was dealing with estate agent, solicitor, all paper work just fine. no one had concerns. May, he started hallucinating and thinking his reflection was an old man trapped in his bathroom wall. By November , he couldn’t tell day from night and was walking round screaming that aliens were trying to abduct him, not knowing where he was, couldn’t tell you the year and had lost the function of reading and writing and wouldn’t wash or change his clothes.

He was speaking to her until the September. He came to stay with us quite a lot, I would hear him on the phone to her. I managed to get the pin for his phone and found her number and begged her for her in October when I brought him to live with me.

I couldn’t tell his friends where he was. I didn’t know who they were. The names in his phone meant nothing . just the “girlfriends” name that I recognised. I begged for her help and she said no. She told me to shove him in a home and forget about him. I hung up without giving her my number. my dads phone contract had been terminated as he kept calling the police.

I didn’t know about his friends until I opened his “death box” which I couldn’t face over the last few years, and found instructions of who to call after his death.

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bahhamburgers · 17/02/2024 11:47

Maraa · 17/02/2024 11:34

Does this woman have social media? If so, I’d send a message on that and block immediately. I’m so sorry for your loss and what you have to deal with. X

As mad as it sounds, I don’t even know her surname. It’s in nothing my dad left. He didn’t actually talk about her that much. There’s just her name and number in the list of people to tell, all just first names.

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overthinkersanonnymus · 17/02/2024 11:53

I'm sorry for your loss op.

But fuck that woman. And the others who felt it necessary to speak to you in the same way. I wouldn't tell any of them anything.

My dad was actually a cunt behind closed doors and told the woe is me stories about me to anybody who would listen. I know the truth about our relationship, you know the truth about yours.

Give your dad a nice send off and forget about these people. You'll never have to deal with them again.

BigbigFreezer · 17/02/2024 11:58

bahhamburgers · 17/02/2024 11:47

As mad as it sounds, I don’t even know her surname. It’s in nothing my dad left. He didn’t actually talk about her that much. There’s just her name and number in the list of people to tell, all just first names.

See if you can find her on Thereverselookup.com, (search for her using her number) I think there’s a small fee to pay for the information.

then if you can just pop a letter in the post with as little or a much as you want in it 💐💐💐

Thingamebobwotsit · 17/02/2024 12:04

Honestly I am with the others here. You owe nothing to anyone. If they had been true friends then they would have stayed in touch with your Dad regardless. They would have accepted you and provided some support, even if just an occasional check in. I too have a weird and wonderful relationship with a father like yours and the one thing I have learnt over the years is not to rush into any action or decision. In time most things sort themselves out.

I would focus on you, your DH and your family for now. It sounds like you have a lot to work through, if nothing else a complicated relationship with your Dad pre Dementia, that needs time and energy. If - after that- you want to update this woman, you can, even if it takes a few years to feel calm enough to do so. But don't rush it. You need time to grieve before putting yourself in a vulnerable position again. Be kind to yourself. Take your time and reassess at a later date. Nothing will bring him back and it won't hurt if she doesn't find out for a while.

Good luck

bahhamburgers · 17/02/2024 12:07

overthinkersanonnymus · 17/02/2024 11:53

I'm sorry for your loss op.

But fuck that woman. And the others who felt it necessary to speak to you in the same way. I wouldn't tell any of them anything.

My dad was actually a cunt behind closed doors and told the woe is me stories about me to anybody who would listen. I know the truth about our relationship, you know the truth about yours.

Give your dad a nice send off and forget about these people. You'll never have to deal with them again.

Thank you.

I have no need to call any of his friends again. None of them knew each other. they were all separate.

There were 6 of them, three just said thank you for letting me know, asked about a funeral but I explained that it was direct cremation with only 5 allowed and they offered condolences and that was it.

The other three let rip on how terribly I had treated him and told me everything he’d said.

One hung up on me without letting me speak, the other two I actually told them it wasn’t true and explained what I have here basically. One of those said, I have to believe your father, he was my friend, I don’t believe he would lie to me.

The other one was actually nice in the end. she initially went for me. I asked if she would listen to my side. she did. We were both in tears. She told me that certain things over the years hadn’t sat right with her. She had been with him a few times when he said I hadn’t bothered with him in years, but his phone would ring and she could see my name trying to call him and he would pretend he didn’t know who it was and his phone must be broken. She was the one who was younger, the one the on/off girlfriend accused of an affair years ago. She knows she’s crazy and she told me not to bother contacting her.

She said when he disappeared his neighbours had told him I’d taken him to live with me. She tried to track me down but she didn’t know my married name or even the area I lived in.

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diddl · 17/02/2024 12:09

It wasn’t like he disappeared and then I called her asking for help. they were in regular contact. I cannot tell you how fast my dad declined.

I apologise for misunderstanding & my post seeming overly harsh.

Recently lost my dad to dementia (not as recently as you).

It's a bastard & you essentially lose them twice.

Looking back there were possibly very initial signs 10yrs previous which were ignored as general old age/forgetfulness.

I think if you want to do it for your Dad's sake then I would let your husband deal with it.

Lighteningstrikes · 17/02/2024 12:09

…”She told you to shove him in a home and forget about him.”

Whatever action you decide to take, you need to get this bitch out of your head.

Personally, there’s absolutely no way I would have any contact, in any form, with her ever again.

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