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Can’t bring myself to notify my dads friend of his death

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bahhamburgers · 17/02/2024 09:14

My dad died a few weeks ago. Particularly horrible death at the end of three long years with dementia, the last two in a care home. It’s just me, only family so I’ve had to fight every step of the way for him. I am exhausted from it. I sat next to him for his last three days/nights and was with him when he died.

My mum died when I was a young child and he met a woman when I was 14, she absolutely hated me and was just vile. They never lived together or married but were friends for 30 odd years. I left home at 16 and never had anything to do with her again really.

Two years ago when it was apparent that my dad, who was then 84 was getting ill (she is 20 years younger than him, for context, so not an elderly lady herself). I called her begged her for Help with him. There is no one else. No other family or friends. She refused. And she told me all sorts of horrible things, about how much he hated me, all the awful things he had said about me since I was young, how over the last few years he had been saying what an evil person I am. I ended up having to hang up. I’d already been though a year of hell begging HCP and social care for help, I couldn’t take being told how terrible I am on top of all that.

I was so upset, I hung up. She doesn’t have my contact details and my dad was too far gone to use his phone anymore and went into a care home the next week. we had tried him living with us, but my youngest child was a baby and it was too dangerous, we had a couple of close calls and I had to put my children’s safety first.

When he died, I had to call a couple of other friends that he’d left instructions to call. The same thing. They told me that he was always saying what a terrible person I am, how horrible I was to him, that I never bothered with him, how I never saw him (we saw him every week, I nursed him though cancer, he stayed with me during recovery from cancer ops, he told people I hadn’t bothered with him).

Why these people felt the need to tell me those things when I was calling them to tell them my father had died two days previously and I was crying, I’ll never know. It wasn’t true.

I don’t blame him though. From reading things he’d written over the last decade, I think the dementia had been present for a long time. He just hid it well. And I have learned no one would have cared anyway. I took him to his GP in desperation, he was sat there saying what a nice cruise ship it was and the GP kept insisting he was fine, just depressed. He ended up in hospital, hallucinating that aliens had taken the place over and social workers kept telling me he was fine and they had no concerns. So this was a long time coming. I think he was telling people I hated him so they would look after him on the days I couldn’t.

Anyway, I need to tell that woman. He would have wanted me to. He asked me to in a letter he wrote a few years ago.

I just can’t face the barrage of shit I know she will unleash. I don’t need to hear yet again how much my dad hated me. I’ve been though hell for him over the last few years. I’ve missed half my toddlers life dealing with everything (he was abused in one care home, I had to deal with it all, again, no one really cared).

Dh said he would do it. But part of me wants to scream how much I’ve been though. not just the last few years, but looking after him my whole bloody life.

Sorry this is so long.

If I was this awful person who hated him, believe me, I would have had a much easier life. I loved him so much.
I have to believe he was saying all that for attention (he’s been saying awful things about me since I was a teenager, according to all these dickheads who thought it was appropriate to tell me that), and it got worse when dementia started.

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Katrinawaves · 17/02/2024 10:01

If it might give you closure to make the call yourself (because you feel that’s what your dad wanted), then write yourself out a script, read it out, don’t deviate from it or respond to any questions or comments (just speak over her if she tries) and hang up when you have said it.

Something along these lines:

”Jenny, I’m phoning to let you know my father died on [date] after a long period suffering from dementia. He would have wanted you to be informed even though you had no interest in caring for him or supporting him in his final years. That speaks volumes for the kind of person you are but came as no surprise to me given the way in which you have behaved towards me over the last 30 years. The funeral has already taken place, you weren’t mentioned in his will and there is no reason for us ever to speak again. Goodbye”

bahhamburgers · 17/02/2024 10:02

Lighteningstrikes · 17/02/2024 09:56

I’m sorry for your sad loss and also for what you are going through now 💐

Don’t you or your DH call or message the evil woman, you owe her absolutely nothing, and she would only use the opportunity to beat you more.

She won’t go to his funeral anyway, if she couldn’t be bothered to visit him when he was dying.

If he was looking down at you, he wouldn’t want you to go through even more hurt and sorrow.

You were an amazing daughter and there are lots of selfish offspring that wouldn’t do half the things you did for your DF.

To paint the full picture- she didn’t know he was dying. she didn’t know where he was, or that he has a dementia diagnosis, she didn’t have my contact details, didn’t know where I lived, and once his phone had to be taken away, she couldn’t have contacted him if she wanted to anyway.

Which is partly why I feel she should know now.

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TotemPolly · 17/02/2024 10:05

You have no obligation towards her , and had their relationship been close , she would have ensured she knew where he was .
I had an extremely close relationship with my mother , yet in the last few months of her life ( due to strong medication ) she was convinced I had stolen from her and had kidnapped someone to get info from them .

SheilaFentiman · 17/02/2024 10:07

Let DH do it. It will be hanging over you until it is done but you don’t need to do it.

If he can call from work so it comes through as no caller id, so much the better.

Quitelikeacatslife · 17/02/2024 10:11

Let your DH call her. It'll be done then . State facts only, he died on x date from dementia, funeral already done. Informing her only as DF asked you to before his illness took hold.
As PP said, I'd happily do this for my friend or DH
Once it is done you can start to repair your hurt.
You know the truth, and so do those who you love . you have had a very difficult time but you have done your best by him and I hope this brings you calm.
Focus on your lovely family and moving forward

bahhamburgers · 17/02/2024 10:13

Testina · 17/02/2024 09:50

“My mum died when I was a young child and he met a woman when I was 14, she absolutely hated me and was just vile. They never lived together or married but were friends for 30 odd years. I left home at 16 and never had anything to do with her again really.”

Was he aware of this? I’m confused at what their relationship actually was. Were they just friends or in a relationship? Why did you leave home so young?

You owe her nothing, but it sounds like your actions now are because you think you owe him something, not her. It sounds to me like he failed you - if I’m right reading between the lines that he sat back and let his new girlfriend be vile and force you out of a home she didn’t live in. In which case… you don’t owe him anything either. It’s not that hard to find an address for her I’m sure - send a blunt card if you really must, or get your husband to send a voice-to-text to the landline. Or better still - just let it go, don’t bother.

My dad liked an easy life. He was first married at 16, then divorced and met my mum right away. He was late 50s when she died (she was younger than him), and like a lot of men of his era, had never lifted a finger himself so to suddenly be left with an 11 year old, a house and a full time job was a shock.

She would say nasty things and he would
just tell her to be quiet. He was like that, anything for easy life.

He would never have lived with anyone or remarried as he wanted to protect my inheritance (that ended well), so they were on/off. she also lives between the UK and the country she was born in. she’s actually very, very well off.

I left home at 16 as I was offered a training job in media that I couldn’t turn down, nothing awful, I want forced out, it was for good reasons. I actually went home again from 20 - 22.

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New2024 · 17/02/2024 10:13

I lost my father recently, it was tough even without dementia and things you have had to deal with. I really feel for you.

I would contact her. Probably just let your DH do it. Just say he’s passed away, that you believe he wanted you to know but that he had severe dementia. Say the funeral has happened and don’t have a conversation with her. Don’t give the details of where and when. Try to use a number with no caller ID.

TantalisingCantaloupe · 17/02/2024 10:14

Get a trusted friend to do it for you. Fuck it, I don't know you, but I'd make that phone call for you if I had the number.

Doing that call is hard enough. I can't even imagine having to steel myself enough to make those calls, knowing that you would be abused by the person you were informing. She should be told, if those were your dad's wishes, but there's no reason she should get to spit her venom at you, while his wishes are enacted.

I am so sorry for your loss, and the trauma of these past few years 💐.

Vermin · 17/02/2024 10:17

Someone upthread mentioned a will. I would suggest not bothering to let this woman know if it’s likely she’s going to kick off about wills and how he always intended to leave her the house etc

BestieNo1 · 17/02/2024 10:24

Your dad was very ill. I understand you loved him but he was a lying git.

His other friends will be dead soon so let them be. They know nothing.

She is nothing to you and is mean, nasty and vindictive so you owe her nothing.

Lose the guilt. You did more than anyone else would have done.

He was amazingly lucky to have you.

Thank the lord that it is over and rejoice that you are now free to enjoy your own lovely family.

You are a wonderful woman and am so very sorry you were treated like that. Xxxx

bahhamburgers · 17/02/2024 10:25

Vermin · 17/02/2024 10:17

Someone upthread mentioned a will. I would suggest not bothering to let this woman know if it’s likely she’s going to kick off about wills and how he always intended to leave her the house etc

Oh no, that would never happen. He always made it very clear that he wouldn’t even live with her, let alone marry her as he wanted everything to go to me.

Will is all to me, I am the executor. She would have no claim over anything. she’s a millionaire herself so she wouldn’t anyway. Not that there is much left after the care home fees.

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OrionStridesIn · 17/02/2024 10:26

Sorry for your loss, OP. You've really been through a lot.

I'm pretty much in the 'don't tell her' camp. I don't think you owe this woman anything. Also agree with the point pp's have made about wills- you really do not need any more stress in your life. I think you should focus on your own peace and wellbeing right now.

OrionStridesIn · 17/02/2024 10:27

Actually I think I'm with @BestieNo1 completely here!

itsgoingtobeabumpyride · 17/02/2024 10:29

I'm sorry you've had to suffer any of this.
You owe no-one anything, not the woman, not his friends & not your "D"f.
Do not put yourself out to contact the woman, you've already tried this and had your finger's burnt.
Put this whole horrendous time behind you and concentrate on your family ❤️

Baldieheid · 17/02/2024 10:31

I wouldn't bother telling her. Not out of spite or anger, but because she cut contact and abandoned him 3, 4 years ago. She's not a friend.

Why open that wound again?

bahhamburgers · 17/02/2024 10:31

Part of me wants to call her and absolutely blast her. I’ve been though hell these last 3 years. He was abused in one care home, you cannot imagine the stress and guilt of that as well as fighting to get justice (social care sweep everything under the carpet and are useless, CQC not much better).

I know that won’t help anything in the long run. But if she had just helped him, he wouldn’t have ended up in a care home to be abused in (long, long story which I won’t go into now, but I just needed her to stay with him for two weeks in a flat we’d got him here and she refused).

Who knows, she could even be dead herself.

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Capmagturk · 17/02/2024 10:33

I'm so sorry, that must of been so difficult to hear and it sounds like he kept company of particularly horrific people. You have been a great daughter and done all you could.

When my mum was dying a few months ago, she said the day before she died of my sister "x has been by my side all the time" it punched me in the stomach so much as I'd done EVERYTHING, been off work 3 months to care for her, done literally everything, dealt with all the medical people and fought for all her care, gave her loans of money and support over the years and cared for her and took her to all appointments. I had some bereavement counselling and the councillor said something to me that's helped which hopefully will help you "other people's perceptions aren't the same as what you KNOW is reality and the truth" the reality is, you done everything in your power to support and care for him, no one else's perceptions matter.

I know you want to speak to the friend to offload but honestly it won't go the way you think, she's likely to say more hurtful things and youl not walk away feeling lighter or better, it's just created more pain. She doesn't deserve one more minute of your time, thoughts or be given any more power to hurt you further. Let your husband tell her and move on and forget about her and everyone else's shitty perceptions knowing you did what you could and that was enough.

Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong · 17/02/2024 10:33

ThePure · 17/02/2024 09:30

Go old school. Post a notice of his death in the local paper in the area where he lived. Then they can all be informed and you don't have to speak to them.

Yes I'd do this. Or post a letter to her home, no return address. DH could write it if its easier, 1 sentence of info, kind regards etc. Definitely don't talk to this horrible woman, you don't deserve the stress of this.

Saschka · 17/02/2024 10:37

bahhamburgers · 17/02/2024 09:47

No. She did with one. But they told me that she accused my dad of having an affair with her about a decade ago (the other friend was the same age as me, 45 years younger than my father, it wasn’t true!)

She said not heard from her since and said she blocked her anyway because she was crazy, said she’s moved house and area twice since then anyway.

OP, are these people all alcoholics or something? They all sound completely deranged, paranoid, aggressive and generally do not behave like any adults I have ever come across, except the group of drunks pushing and shoving each other outside the local betting shop.

FilippityFiloppity · 17/02/2024 10:39

Write a letter with all the harsh truths you want to say. Get it all out onto paper. Let it sit for a couple of days.

Then let DH or a friend phone her so it’s not hanging over you (not that it should, but you sound diligent and caring, and I suspect it will keep playing on your mind otherwise). They can be factual or they can add in some of the hurt and pain, but by the sounds of it it’s unlikely to have any real impact.

You owe her nothing, but you owe it to yourself to be able to draw a line under all of this.

LadyEloise1 · 17/02/2024 10:40

FortunataTagnips · 17/02/2024 09:19

I really wouldn’t bother. She wasn’t there when he needed her, she was awful to you. Sod her.

This.
She wasn't there for him in his time of need.
Why bother ?

bloodyeffinnora · 17/02/2024 10:40

FortunataTagnips · 17/02/2024 09:19

I really wouldn’t bother. She wasn’t there when he needed her, she was awful to you. Sod her.

this

bahhamburgers · 17/02/2024 10:41

And please, I know some posters mean well by saying my dad was a bad person.

He wasn’t. I understand why he would have said
those things. Even the things he said before dementia. he had an incredibly hard life, suffered a breakdown after my mother died (slowly and horribly of cancer in her late 30s, it was horrific). he had no family and few friends and was very lonely. He suffered severe depression after my mums death.

I am not angry at him for anything he said about me. I understand how mental illness can make you last out, I understand he was probably saying those things to make other people feel sorry for him and look after him.

He was a much older father abs expected a lot of me which I couldn’t give him as I was trying to build my own life.

It was hurtful to hear those things but I understand and I forgive him for it, especially the things he said when I know he must have been masking dementia.

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Leopardmatches · 17/02/2024 10:42

Personally, I wouldn’t post a notice in the local paper. Everyone that needs to know knows,apart from her . All death notices do is make it easy for weirdos to contact you. People are vulnerable after the death of a loved one and scammers play on this.

bahhamburgers · 17/02/2024 10:46

Saschka · 17/02/2024 10:37

OP, are these people all alcoholics or something? They all sound completely deranged, paranoid, aggressive and generally do not behave like any adults I have ever come across, except the group of drunks pushing and shoving each other outside the local betting shop.

No, they were just friends of my dad and angry at me as he told them all I abandoned him.

They didn’t know me, they had no way of knowing it wasn’t true.

If you had a very good friend who told you how awful their family were, for years, and one day they called you after you hadn’t heard from that person for three heard telling you they had died, wouldn’t you think they had a fucking cheek to sound upset? After all, they had been stealing money, being horrible, leaving them on their own when they were elderly, lonely and had cancer?

They didn’t know me. They only knew what my dad told them. of course they were angry and lashed out at me when I told them he’d died.

I do understand it.

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