Young woman imprisoned for murder - is the sentence harsh?

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I was reading this case of the very rare occurrence of a woman killing a man. The murder occurred using a car as a weapon essentially and though the sentence fits guidelines for this crime are you in effect removing the woman's right to hear children in her lifetime (or making it a lot more difficult)? Is the socially enforced infertility a by product of the sentence that is quite just or does this discriminate against women in that a man may not suffer in huge the same way (because of extended fertility).

I suppose the law is the law but is the removal of the right to seek a family ever taken into account with sentencing?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-68180241

But what's to stop them from reproducing? Take for example Oscar Pretorius. He's currently out on parole under very strict conditions, which last until 2029. After that he's a free man in his early 40s.

The murder highlighted by the op is horrific. Hopefully the murderer will never have a family. But there'll be nothing to stop her say from being a step mother.

No, her fertility should play no part in sentencing.

"you in effect removing the woman's right to hear children in her lifetime"

So?

You lose a lot of rights if you go to prison.

There's nothing special about this right.

But the equivalent of that would be sterilising female prisoners which isn't happening here, of course. No one has taken away her actual physical ability to have a baby, they've taken away her ability to meet and have sex with a partner. Men lose this in prison too. You can't then try and account for the onward consequences. Yes, if she'd been free she might have had children (she might not). Maybe she'd have met the love of her life if she were free, but by the time she's out of prison he's emigrated to Australia and they never meet. She might have had an amazing career. Obviously people have all sorts of options out of prison that they don't have in it, that's why it's a punishment. How could we ever account for that and so try and make imprisonment fair by making sure everyone loses exactly the same?

I don't think there should be any difference in the sentencing of men and women. This woman is no different to any other murderer.

What a ridiculous point, she removed his chance of children by ending his life, life for life surely 😵‍💫

The right to family life doesn't mean a right to have children. It means everyone should have the right to keep in contact with their family, if that family want to keep in contact with them. In prison this means allowing family visits, letters etc. Also being allowed to attend close family funerals if they are considered trustworthy enough. It does NOT mean they are entitled to fully participate in living day to day with their family or there would be no one in prison! The prison sentence has to be served, with reasonable provision made within the constraints of that sentence to maintain contact with family.

Oh come on OP!! 🤦‍♀️ You can't seriously think that the law should only be applied to women 'outside of the fertile window' 🤦‍♀️🤣🤦‍♀️

I've read some shite on here, but that is right up there with the best of it!

Why on earth should women be treated more leniently just because they are women? I completely disagree.

Well then, the answer is don't murder anyone.

Heard it all now!

She should have thought about that before killing someone.

A step mother isn’t reproducing.

Actions have consequences and crimes have punishments, sex is irrelevant in the matter. For her to be discriminated against, it would have to be proven that she was being imprisoned for factors relevant only to her sex and not her crime. The fact is, that she’s chosen to commit murder which carries an automatic life sentence and imprisonment which apply for both sexes. This is why legally it can never be classed as discrimination. The fact she will be unlikely to/ never conceive children due to the length of her sentence is entirely of her own making and a natural consequence. It baffles me that people are even asking such nonsense, illogical questions like this in the first place. Of course it’s not discrimination.

There should be equality in sentences, why should there be leniency shown to anybody who murders.
If you want the chance to have children and be a mother, don't commit heinous crimes.

This is the stupidest thing I've read so far today. Well done for that I guess.

Well the consequences of murder aren't a secret..murder = prison.

She perhaps should of thought about that before she did it.

Some people don’t need to breed.

If we put the theoretical life of a potential future baby as more important than the actual life of a person already living (as in not imprisoning a woman for murder because she might have a baby) well that sounds incredibly similar to a pro life argument to me

This.

Why on earth would we want someone so unstable and possibly evil to have children? 😳 My sympathies never normally reach as far as the killer.

Should we cut murderous women slack simply because they're biologically capable of bearing children - no. Children deserve better than murderers for mothers and this woman took someone's son away.

I think I would support enforced sterilisation of any convicted murderer (for men and women).

Why would it ever be desirable for a baby to be at the mercy of a convicted murderer?

Having children isn't a right.

If you're going to take into account differences between men and women when sentencing; should men receive shorter sentances for the same crime? Due to men having shorter life expectancy than women (generally speaking)?