Young woman imprisoned for murder - is the sentence harsh?

[mids2019]

I was reading this case of the very rare occurrence of a woman killing a man. The murder occurred using a car as a weapon essentially and though the sentence fits guidelines for this crime are you in effect removing the woman's right to hear children in her lifetime (or making it a lot more difficult)? Is the socially enforced infertility a by product of the sentence that is quite just or does this discriminate against women in that a man may not suffer in huge the same way (because of extended fertility).

I suppose the law is the law but is the removal of the right to seek a family ever taken into account with sentencing?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-68180241

Not read all comments but she removed her right to family life herself when she murdered someone.

Im going to stab guess that she wouldn't make a good parent, murder committed or not!

Would that apply to all women or just the fertile ones who want children?

OP hasn’t suggested anything, she’s raised a genuinely interesting question, why can’t people read and critically analyse the OP before pilling on with YOU CANT BE SERIOUS type posts.

OP I actually think sex and age are
most likely taken into account for sentencing, many aspects are, which is why there are guidelines and ranges for sentencing for crimes, even murder. A life sentence comes with minimum terms for example. Whole life is extremely rare for women (in the UK at least).

Could there be a legal case to appeal the sentence length based on the biological impact? Yes it’s possible isn’t it, whether it would be successful is another question. When you commit a crime you do so knowing the possible punishment and not many people successfully appeal a murder sentencing.

interesting question! My personal opinion is that she chose to do what she did, she has to bare the life long consequences.

I think the fewer children born to murderous women, the better.

Debate is healthy, interesting to hear differing views. Op already had conceded that a lot of the points made to her original post were in fact a better stand point.

Debate is healthy, interesting to hear differing views. Op already had conceded that a lot of the points made to her original post were in fact a better stand point.

What an utterly ridiculous post

Women prisoners have children in prison and ovum can be harvested and frozen.
Having children is not a right, family life is more than bio children.
Abused women who kill vs getting killed is a different ball of wax.
young people who plan and execute murders are not well suited to raising children.

@mids2019

Even in the example that you gave if it had been the reverse, he had run over her, then he would be able to start a family when his sentence was finished.

Many men who have murdered start a family post release. A lot even get fan mail in prison.

@Greatscottshesgotit

apologies I may have chosen a provocative case to make a general point simply because I read it in the press so I understand the reaction .

in a general sense imprisoning women can take away one night see as a fundamental right as a byproduct is sentencing. It is the intention of a prison sentence to deprive liberty for a period of time commensurate with the crime committed to act as puishment, to protect the public and allow rehabilitatiin.

we do not prevent make prisoners from going on to have families (despite the nature of the crime) on release on the basis of human rights so should consideration of reproductive rights be a consideration when sentencing females to custodial sesntences?

many many men in prison also miss the opportunity for having children. I don't think anyone would argue about letting male murders out so they have a chance to become parents.

Or do you think there should be an inprison dating service and a separate prison for married prisoners raising families? Children are removed from parents in prison at around 18 months normally.....where would all these prisoners children go?

There is also the thing that men could claim similar. While their fertility decline is slower and starts in 40s (iirc), the chances of having child in 50s without addition help are actually not as high as people generally think.
It's bit of a false image by famous people who claim to have fathered children in 60s+ naturally. Some might, yeah, bit for majority of the men it's absolutely not the case.
Also then taking into account that 50 year old offender freshly from prison is not particularly desirable so would take time to find a partner with further decline in fertility in that time.

The idea is ridiculous same as this endless double standard, do women have less brains then men? Are they more 'precious'

Not coming up with with excuses and 'I am just a poor little woman I don't know what I am doing' now we got 'I can have a baby so I can do what I want'

Is this what women want seriously?

If she had already had kids, it's very reasonable to assume that their lives would be severely affected by their mum being imprisoned for murder; her sentence would not have been reduced so that she can go home earlier to parent them - why should she have a shorter sentence to have opportunity to have kids afterwards who would likely have lots and lots of involvement with authorities throughout their lives?

She murdered someone. The consequence of that is lengthy custodial sentence, with all the loss of liberties and 'rights' that brings

Nah deliberately running someone over trumps everything else.

It's a weird question, are you researching for something?

Rose West is a mum
Your argument is ridiculous

I think the cruelty of the killing method outweighs any other mitigating circumstances. OMG the thought of running over someone .......... and she could have always knocked him over causing injury - didn't need to kill.

Is it a full moon or something?

Last night there was a thread that someone because someone was sad that a man called another man (who is recorded raping his girlfriend) a rapist.

Now we have a thread that a woman's right to reproduce means they shouldn't be sentenced for murder.

Here's an idea. If you want to have kids someday, don't murder someone.

Is it still up? Can you link it?

Not because I don’t think it’s there. But because I think that’s linked to my family

Think it was about a footballer?

No, it was taken down because the Op 'explained it badly'.

Not sure how else it could be explained, mind you!

I really do not think that female fertility should be a factor in sentencing. This woman aggravated things by lying about what went on in a bid to save her own skin and not be found guilty of murder. We don't see and hear a lot of what goes on in court and we rarely see anything of the police interview process. She should have thought about this before she did what she did and then failed to face up to it and show remorse.

@tuvamoodyson @BeADinosaur Thank you. the family of the man (who is in prison) that raped my family member and filmed it have a habit of going online and telling people how sorry they feel that he has been labelled a rapist. I thought it might be them again.

Mark Gordon served 20 years in jail for rape and aggravated burglary and was able to start a relationship and family with Constance Marten and we all know how horrific that turned out to be.

Perhaps there's a case for permanent sterilisation for offenders who commit serious crimes.

I'm so sorry that's happening to your family.

I should have been clear it was about the footballer, and not been so glib in my reply.

I hope your family member is as well as she can be.