Acid attack in Clapham

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Has anyone else seen this horrible news story? Apparently 9 people have been injured, looks like the original targets were a woman and two children.

What is WRONG with people?!

@Puzzledandpissedoff
was reported in the Telegraph

“In his second application, it is understood he claimed he had converted to Christianity but this too was refused.
It was only when he made a third appeal, supported by the priest, that he was finally granted asylum”

Yes, the country is done and ranks like third world type because of the crimes happening in our streets daily. It was an amazing place, secure and safe but it is really gone out of hands. The worst is to come and god help all the innocent people. Just break my heart to hear of so many deaths. Talented young people lost in the last few years to crime and violence. Specially women and kids. It is like a nightmare.

I think - and would be grateful if any posters with greater knowledge could confirm or put me straight - that it is only offences which carry a custodial sentence that count. This was an offence where the sentence could be suspended, so that might be a factor in him being permitted to stay.

But the other obstacle is that you cannot send asylum seekers back to a place where they would be in danger. So even if he had served out a lengthy sentence, if his place of origin is not safe, he cannot be deported to certain countries. Not yet clear where this man was from, before Newcastle. This may or may not be a factor in why he remained

Not yet clear where this man was from, before Newcastle

Afghanistan

@LakeTiticaca

Yet legal aid has been cut for people born here . Only the destitute can get it . Otherwise it can cost you everything , home savings , pension to pay the legal bill
This is why people plead guilty to stuff they haven't done , if you lose your case you pay the defence and prosecution costs . Only the very poor and wealthy get justice.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-68167793

Just watched this report by Daniel Sandford on the BBC 10 pm news.

The perpetrator was described as a sex offended and the part that struck me was:

His asylum application was twice turned down, but granted on the third occasion when he claimed to have converted to Christianity.
This case is being pointed out by some in the Home Office as an example of the frustration they have with the asylum tribunal system, that people are granted asylum despite having convictions in the UK.
However, those who work with asylum seekers point that you can still be at risk in your home country - and therefore a genuine refugee - even if you have a conviction in the UK

I would describe myself as a liberal whose politics are left of centre, who is sickened by the government policy that sends immigrants to Rwanda etc , but surely, if you have a conviction in the uk then you should have all rights to refuge in the uk torn up, even if you are at risk in your own country? I’m afraid you should have thought of the risk you face back in your home country BEFORE you decided to contravene the law of the land that took you in.

Well then laws have to be changed or amended. Until civilians start suing the agencies in charged for criminals like him not being deported this is going to continue. Do not forget we pay for people like this as well to be supported financially.

It's only done if people sit on their arse and complain about the state of things, blaming people who aren't at fault rather than looking at the government, and not working to improve their local communities while expecting others to do something.

People can't be deported to countries where they may be tortured, subject to unlawful treatment or killed as it violates their article 2 and 3 rights under the European Convention on Human Rights. However France have recently suggested that they will work around this (i.e. thwart the European court of Human Rights) by just paying a fine of around 2 thousand euro to the court after they deport criminals without following the due human rights process ... think lots of people are understandably angry that we can't deport rapists and woman beaters because of concerns about their human rights

@SquirmOfEels

I do think when they arrive here they should get informed that women here are equal to men and have the freedom to dress how the please and have more choices. and whatever rules applied to the treatment of women in their original countries does not apply here and will not be Tolerated .

Thanks, augustusglupe and FairisleFairy; so it seems the thing about the priest's support is true

Useful idiots everywhere unfortunately, though in the case of religion I'm not sure "useful" is appropriate. For further examples see the countless asylum charities, too many of whom are stuffed with them

Another thing for my referendum list

I would love to know where are the human rights of the victims of these atrocities.

I didn’t know about France

They're the same place as everyone else's. Everyone has the same.

The asylum decision was yet another example of the feelings of criminal men being prioritised over women's actual lives. This crime was completely and easily preventable. Every single person involved in inflicting this manipulative sex offender upon us should face serious professional recriminations. Let's start having some accountability for those who allow bad faith actors to game the system.

I completely agree with this. With human rights come human responsibilities.

It's only done if people sit on their arse and complain about the state of things, blaming people who aren't at fault rather than looking at the government, and not working to improve their local communities while expecting others to do something.

The denial and preventing laws to deal with the issues took us here. I despair when these incidents happen or terrorists attacks and people go quickly out of the way to excuse and protect these individuals. Have you heard of people stopping criminals being deported? The organisations and lawyers and even priests intervening. The people being called racist for pointing facts and trying to start a conversation? I am done and will look to move my family abroad asap.

Interesting ... I didn't know this about France and it seems just another example of them putting their own citizens first, which I don't blame them for in the least

And let's not forget that those decent citizens include countless decent muslims who are no doubt rather tired of being tarred with the same brush

It's still possible that the priest simply provided the evidence asked for, for example 'I confirm X has been attending Y church regularly and was baptised on Z date' without knowing much about the guy and the implications.

I don't know of course - just giving the benefit of the doubt.

When that thing ends up in a cell in the next 48 hours, please rest assured that those of you going out to work are paying for it to be fed and kept warm. Ffs.

Oh well, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Yes it could just be that

The issue is a system which encourages gaming the system. So of course people will do things like this

@Cazpar I won’t miss scums.

In the light of a criminal conviction why on earth are we even hearing appals?! He should have been gone in 24hrs. A criminal conviction is not incorrect information. It’s a fact. He should have been out immediately. We need changes. but it’s all too late for this poor mother & children. Every single person who had a hand in this man remaining should be held to account.