If you watched the Traitors final ... [spoiler alert]

[nellellie]

... I'm sure everyone can agree Harry was a "brilliant traitor" and it was "only a game", but having seen how naturally and casually he was able to lie and manipulate people, would you now be wary about forming a relationship with him in real life?

For me, I think his relationship with Molly crossed a boundary. It was brilliant TV, but an uncomfortable ending. I'm sure they gave Molly counselling afterwards and I read that she and Harry have patched up their friendship since the show was filmed, but I wonder if she will find it difficult to trust others in future. I suppose the cynics amongst you would say "all men are scumbags" and it was a good lesson for her. 🙂

Jaz and Andrew pretty much told her Harry was a traitor but she chose to ignore their argument and go with her heart. Once they knew Andrew was a traitor she should have reasoned that there was no earthly reason for him to implicate Harry unless he knew he was a traitor too. The game is about spotting traitors and she didn't despite the warnings, so she lost.

I was rooting for Jaz, but he blew it when he didn't vote for Harry on the second to last vote.

I didn't like Harry, but he played a blinder.

After sleeping on it, had Mollie voted red (Not to end the game) in the head to head with Harry, surely she wouldn't have had anything to lose.

Think about it. If he was a faithful they would have shared the money and if he was a traitor she would have had it all! 😎

And she could have split the money with him if she'd been wrong.

I do wonder if there is a clause in their contract to prevent them from negotiating. If not, any traitor under threat could say "if you keep me in and I turn out to be a traitor, I'll split the winnings with you" ... effectively leaving everyone in the same position as if they were a faithful.

Players gotta play play play play play…

haters gonna hate hate hate hate hate…

I think the shows problematic, do we really need a show that encourages a young man to manipulate and lie to (at the very end) a young woman?

I found it uncomfortable viewing tbh.

Yes, I thought exactly this. If I was his gf I’d never trust him. He can lie so easily, will do anything to further himself. But yeah I get it’s a game.

i think Mollie thought that Jaz genuinely thought Harry was a traitor which is why he went red smoke again. But mollie believed Jaz was wrong. She thought they were all faithful and was friendlier with Harry. But yes a stupid mistake, she trusted her heart over her head. Because regardless of friendship there was always a chance he was a traitor where Jaz had just shown himself not to be a traitor.

It could easily have been the other way round. Remember it's just a game!

I know what you mean, but she literally signed up for a show called The Traitors. She wasn’t some random off the street. She could have tried to play the game herself.

Harry was pretty bad actually when challenged, his skill was in avoiding being challenged by being charming and helpful in missions etc. I wouldn’t be worried if I encountered him in real life. He really wasn’t an evil genius.

If it was me and I’d played a brilliant game I think I would still have been tempted to get rid of Molly before the end for fear of ending up in that exact situation. If he’d stolen from her and Jaz together it would have seemed slightly less bad but you can see in her face that she’s already away onto deciding what to do with the money (with him🙈) and it all comes crumbling down in an instant. I 100% wouldn’t be able to be friends with him afterwards if I was her. It is the game but I do think he pushed it too far when there were obviously feelings to some extent involved. I found it strange to watch him on the radio episode with Claudia and the traitors uncloaked because he sounded the exact same but that was obviously now him telling the truth about everything. It’s a hard one because he did do what you’re supposed to do but he did push it too far. I remember someone using the feelings someone had developed for them on another series, maybe the previous Australian one? Pulled the wool right over an old guys eyes by pretending to flirt with him

On the Uncloaked programme afterwards, Harry mentioned "my other half" several times. I wonder whether he was in this relationship during filming, because he certainly didn't mention anyone else then and it was pretty clear that Mollie was interested in him.

There's an interview in on the Telegraph website where he says they were both in relationships and talked about their other halves all the time, to the extent of planning double dates, but none of that made the edit.

I think any young women watching last night will benefit from hopefully learning the same lesson as Mollie did about critical thinking!

He didn't choose to be a traitor.
Mollie was silly but she chose to enter the show. I'm finding all this bad Harry poor Mollie a bit ridiculous.

I was surprised he never recruited her TBF.

I've watched every version of this show (Aus, NZ, USA etc) and every time someone says "I know I can trust X" and all I want to do is scream at the TV "NO YOU DON'T, THAT'S THE POINT!"

No one is ever going to admit to being a traitor. Everyone wants the money.

that Australian one was brutal! He was like the male version of Mollie

You have to remember that we are only shown what will add to the show, it's quite obvious that they didn't show personal/family information.

Both Harry and Mollie are in long term relationships.

I agree they both knew the rules when they signed up.

Mollie put herself in to the position she ended up in as she said many times that Harry was a 'Traitor Hunter' or 'He had a uncanny ability to know what the Traitors were doing' and yet she never listened to herself or thought to the end of her sentence.

Harry played the game as a "fateful" as he kept saying so they could win as much money as possible and left the "traitoring" to Paul and Miles and only really acted as traitor in the tower.

no! It’s a game, called traitors, it’s not shocking that somebody lied.

I think he played the game well, as you're meant to do. I think she barely played the game - she didn't get involved much in the banishings and she was never ever considered a traitor/threat by anyone. That's very lovely of her, but it's still The Traitors, not Sweet Valley High, and she wasn't being remotely strategic in that finale (or any other time really). He can't be blamed for "crossing a line" with a person who seems to be in a different show about making friends for life. He's a young lad who is a lot brighter than he looks and understood how to do an almost impossible thing in v stressful circumstances, which may be partly army training but also must be partly innate.

I don't think it makes him a bad person, he just achieved the goal that he was set. I don't think she's a much more good person either, she just followed her instincts and they got her a long way but she'd have been extremely lucky to win so passively.

Ultimately it is just a game and they get it. If some viewers don't, that's their own perspective to wrangle and wrestle with and shouldn't affect the players IRL.

She barely played at all, apart from the missions. When they asked her in uncloaked why she thought she had made it so far, she replied something like ‘oh I just didn’t think about it’
As for someone wondering why Harry didn’t recruit her, come on 😂😂.

I think Andrew knew deep down Harry would try and vote him out at last stage and he was unlikely to win which is why he made comments about Harry to try and throw doubt into Jaz and Mollie's minds to help them end up with the cash

Literally every single person trusted and liked Harry. What's more likely, that he's an amazing actor and evil manipulative genius, or that he's a genuinely likeable young fella who was just really good at this particular game? I mean he's an army engineer, he's bright and used to thinking strategically and keeping calm under pressure.

I did feel some sympathy for Mollie BUT a little common sense would have told her that if Jaz was a traitor he would have just ended the game and won.

This has been said before but to reprise:

1. She didn't think either of them were traitors. That's why she'd opted to end the game. She only voted to banish Jaz because she had to vote for someone. It doesn't mean she thought he was a traitor. But...

1. Jaz opting to keep playing didn't mean he definitely wasn't a traitor. In one of the other country's shows (possibly the US), a traitor voted to keep playing at that point simply to get rid of more people. So it doesn't automatically follow that one of the final three choosing to continue means they're definitely not a traitor.

Totally agree Mollie lacked insight overall but it doesn't track in that particular case.

Fully agree with this - the latter, that is. He had 'a particular set of skills' that suited this. It doesn't make him a wrong un at all.