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Mambo19866 · 27/01/2024 06:50

Story after story now of conscription being needed. I was thoroughly convinced that this is just scaremongering but the number of senior figures coming out again today warning us to prepare it really feels like they are getting us used to the idea. Also in the papers today the US is moving some of its nuclear stockpile to the UK. Getting bit nervous now I have to admit.

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MrsSkylerWhite · 27/01/2024 11:13

Naptrappedmummy · Today 11:08

maeveiscurious · Today 11:06

Also if we head into a serious war those with chronic illness and drug dependence will die. I'm a realist I know that my drug supply will not be essential, I have around 6 months without my drug.

I have about 48 hours

So, @Naptrappedmummy, you’re advocating that our young people should volunteer to fight but you won’t be doing so yourself?

DoubleTwin · 27/01/2024 11:14

To those who are physically and mentally able saying they/their dc wouldn't fight in a war, what do you think should happen if Russia invaded another NATO country or the UK? Who should defend us? Or do we just yield?

maeveiscurious · 27/01/2024 11:15

MrsSkylerWhite · 27/01/2024 11:13

Naptrappedmummy · Today 11:08

maeveiscurious · Today 11:06

Also if we head into a serious war those with chronic illness and drug dependence will die. I'm a realist I know that my drug supply will not be essential, I have around 6 months without my drug.

I have about 48 hours

So, @Naptrappedmummy, you’re advocating that our young people should volunteer to fight but you won’t be doing so yourself?

It won't be just the young that will be conscripted, people have this idea that it their teen. It will be more of the 20-50 age group

fonfusedm · 27/01/2024 11:16

To those who are physically and mentally able saying they/their dc wouldn't fight in a war, what do you think should happen if Russia invaded another NATO country or the UK? Who should defend us? Or do we just yield?

Why only dc though? Why not everyone for a start?

Bobblypumpkin18 · 27/01/2024 11:16

DoubleTwin · 27/01/2024 11:14

To those who are physically and mentally able saying they/their dc wouldn't fight in a war, what do you think should happen if Russia invaded another NATO country or the UK? Who should defend us? Or do we just yield?

How about you do it?

BobnLen · 27/01/2024 11:16

MermaidEyes · 27/01/2024 11:09

Daily Mail is reporting that everyone will be conscripted not just the young, probably within six years.

And the Daily Mail is the only one reporting this. Why does anyone even read that paper??!

People just read it to laugh at it, if there is anything slightly in the news about stuff like this, the DM is always going to come up trumps, bit like the Daily express and the weather.

ChocolateCinderToffee · 27/01/2024 11:16

They are hoping for a ‘Falklands effect’ at the election later this year.

ChocolateCinderToffee · 27/01/2024 11:17

BobnLen · 27/01/2024 11:16

People just read it to laugh at it, if there is anything slightly in the news about stuff like this, the DM is always going to come up trumps, bit like the Daily express and the weather.

I consider it so poisonous I won’t even line my cat’s litter tray with it.

LuluBlakey1 · 27/01/2024 11:21

BlindurErBóklausMaður · 27/01/2024 07:44

Would never be reintroduced even without the hard facts of what modern warfare is.

I did my university thesis on conscription back in the 1980s which was around the time that countries which still had conscription/military service were starting to move away from it and even then it was a totally accepted fact that the UK would never reintroduce something that they'd been one of the first states to abolish.

There isn't enough money to train, kit out, and look after the professionals they've got, let alone setting up schemes for however many conscripts there would be.

And one of the main moral reasons for abolishing it in the first place was a vague (at the time) recognition that putting a weapon into someone's hands when that person doesn't want it, or isn't psychologically suited to holding it, probably isn't the best idea.

It's not the 1980s. The world is a different place with different priorities, facing different challenges.

Some of this current stuff in the press is about argument for more money for the armed forces but some is about the changing axis of world power- political, industrial, geographic, cultural. It no longer sits in the West and in Europe. It isn't the white-centric EU/US/Canada block. It is moving rapidly to China/Russia/Middle-East.

They are countries with different morals and priorities to us. They see people as resources to be exploited and used for a country's gain, not as individuals who can do what they like with their lives. They are expansionist at whatever cost. They are greedy for power, money, domination. They have historic scores to settle, particularly with the US but also the UK. They will remove threats/barriers to their progress, in small steps at first. Russia for example- they have started with Ukraine, next a cleared border to encompass Kalingrad back inside Russia-via the Baltic states. Belarus will go back to Russia, as will Slovakia. And then you have the scenario of Russia/Rissian allies having direct large borders with EU countries like Poland, Finland and smaller borders with Austria/Czechoslovkia/Hungary, Slovenia, Moldova. Poland in particular will become a conflict zone. Finland is very vulnerable. Where will it lead? It's unthinkable but there will be serious, large-scale conflict.

Then there is China and Taiwan. What would happen to countries like Japan - geographically small and very vulnerable from China and Russia.

The Middle-East.

We (in the West) will need to decide where our priorities are. My thoughts would be to leave the Middle-East and China to it entirely and focus on protecting Europe but I am no strategist.

The UK needs to accept its a pissy little country now, irrelevant on the world stage and on any other stage. We don't matter and have not the resources to be a contributor. We are useless- have ground ourselves into complete reliance on other countries by focussing on pathetic, low-skill service sectors as one if our main employment sources and allowing our industrial manufacturing and food production to die out because of greed for wealth and unwillingness to invest by big business, demand for cheap crap by consumers and demand for cheap food and unwillingness to work to produce our own food.

We have had 15 years of a Tory government that has failed to invest in what matters; we are now the only country in Western Europe to not produce heavy steel from scratch- that's absolutely shocking and could have enormous consequences for us. And that loss is all about Brexit.

We should be self-sufficient in many fruit and veg but we're not. No one will pick the stuff so it is imported. That's why you are paying £3 + for a single cauliflower at the minute. Almost all of our apples and pears are imported- yet 40 years ago we produced dozens of kinds of apples and pears in southern England. No one can be bothered to pick them. FFS- we import most of our carrots, swede, onions, sprouts, cucumbers, tomatoes, potatoes, leeks, plums. We grow 90% less fruit and veg than we did 40 years ago. When the power balance tips over and there is conflict, where will our food come from?

The EU has put contracts in place with drugs companies to produce and stockpile prescription medications for all EU countries. We already have shortages because the government has messed up procurement. Now they have no deals in place and that shortage is going to get much, much worse.

There will be no tourist industry in a war- the bars, pubs, hotels, restaurants, big venues, holiday rentals, air BnBs won't have the resources or the footfall to stay open. What will the employees do?

We have very very few military resources- and no steel production to make any.

And any war would, at first be conventional. It would rely on traditional fighting to a significant extent. The propaganda machine will be huge. The Tory capitalists will be rubbing their greedy hands together thinking how much money they'll make from it- as they did in the pandemic.

What we are seeing now in The Daily Mail and the voices shouting for conscription, is just the start of the propaganda.We are being prepared.

CheeseCakeSunflowers · 27/01/2024 11:21

I certainly hope this is all scaremongering but I'm not going to mock those who are concerned as there is certainly a lot of worrying things happening in the world at the moment. This thread has led me to do an advanced search on the word coronavirus during Jan and Feb 2020. Its interesting how blasé some posters were about others worries back then.

Giggorata · 27/01/2024 11:21

Although the updated Dads Army parody made me smile, I agree with piscofrisco, that a year of national service would be helpful to young people with few opportunities, to get them work ready and to mature and develop as they experience life away from home.
I also wondered about a sort of Peace Corps, not necessarily armed forces, so that all sorts of civil and humanitarian projects could be undertaken, here and abroad.

But if it does come to war with NATO, I think that it will escalate to nuclear war and MAD. 😟

gluggle · 27/01/2024 11:21

ChocolateCinderToffee · 27/01/2024 11:16

They are hoping for a ‘Falklands effect’ at the election later this year.

Yes, the rally round the flag effect.

IsAnybodyListening · 27/01/2024 11:22

My DD works in a role that is sensitive. We (her immediate family) were extensively checked. I have to be very vague here, but she has to play her employed role down to wider family, friends and strangers.

In the last couple of weeks she has told me it is likely will have to go to a certain country for work. Obviously she can't elaborate, but I know roughly what she does in that it is related directly to her Masters Degree. I googled the city she mentioned along with her branch this morning to see what they specialise in. I only could read what was on the Wikipedia page, and my gut feeling there are defensive measures underway. BUT, then again that would be the case at any point with immediate threats or not.

EasternStandard · 27/01/2024 11:22

Naptrappedmummy · 27/01/2024 11:06

Nobody ‘supports’ war. It is reluctantly entered because the alternative is worse. I find this sort of opinion shockingly naive for a grown adult.

Same. As if anyone would choose it for their dc. I doubt the parents whose dc have been stolen to Russia and other horrific brutal actions haven’t chosen that either.

FloorWipes · 27/01/2024 11:22

Intelligence sharing hasn't ceased and neither has NATO. We also have things like AUKUS and 5 Eyes. Thankfully.

Naptrappedmummy · 27/01/2024 11:23

Bobblypumpkin18 · 27/01/2024 11:16

How about you do it?

Well they would if eligible because they would have to. I’m often surprised by the naivety of posters on here but I think the conscription threads have taken the biscuit. The number of people who think:

  1. War could never happen to us. Not the U.K. public 🤯 we’re inherently higher value and more special people. And nobody would dare attack us, even less expect us to get our hands dirty defending ourselves! Other people will do that for us, from other places.
  2. Conscription is optional and you can conscientiously object because you think people should just be nice to each other and violence is wrong. And if that doesn’t work a note from mum saying ‘over my dead body’ will.
  3. That once everyone has objected, life goes back to normal - the enemy has nobody resisting and so, rather than seeing an easy target to invade and slaughter, will in fact rest retreat with a little wave and a smile.

I agree conscription is very unlikely but 🤯🤯🤯 many of these things posters seem never to have visited planet Earth.

DoubleTwin · 27/01/2024 11:24

bringsomewood · 27/01/2024 09:27

War aside, are you prepared for power and network outages? Because this is a more likely scenario.

And it is up to each and everyone to be prepared for that and not expect anyone else to help you. If anything you should be prepared to help others.

I know in the UK people seem to laugh this off. Where I live this is expected of us. It should come as no surprise if you wake up with no tap water or not being able to go to the shops.

The UK hasn't got this sort of organised, practical and shared socially responsible approach. In a country where money buys education either privately or via expensive property, where parents are desperately competitive to get their little cherubs into the best state school it's a situation of every man, woman and child for themselves.

It's also interesting how we as a nation accept the substandard NHS offering where people needlessly die and suffer, yet the word conscription causes such a reaction.

EasternStandard · 27/01/2024 11:24

Naptrappedmummy · 27/01/2024 11:23

Well they would if eligible because they would have to. I’m often surprised by the naivety of posters on here but I think the conscription threads have taken the biscuit. The number of people who think:

  1. War could never happen to us. Not the U.K. public 🤯 we’re inherently higher value and more special people. And nobody would dare attack us, even less expect us to get our hands dirty defending ourselves! Other people will do that for us, from other places.
  2. Conscription is optional and you can conscientiously object because you think people should just be nice to each other and violence is wrong. And if that doesn’t work a note from mum saying ‘over my dead body’ will.
  3. That once everyone has objected, life goes back to normal - the enemy has nobody resisting and so, rather than seeing an easy target to invade and slaughter, will in fact rest retreat with a little wave and a smile.

I agree conscription is very unlikely but 🤯🤯🤯 many of these things posters seem never to have visited planet Earth.

Yep you sum it up well

maeveiscurious · 27/01/2024 11:27

CheeseCakeSunflowers · 27/01/2024 11:21

I certainly hope this is all scaremongering but I'm not going to mock those who are concerned as there is certainly a lot of worrying things happening in the world at the moment. This thread has led me to do an advanced search on the word coronavirus during Jan and Feb 2020. Its interesting how blasé some posters were about others worries back then.

I hope it is all hot air

Thatusernamewastaken · 27/01/2024 11:31

Never going to happen.
Hope those that are saying it could be a positive/good thing are male and between 18-35 though, as those would be the ones to suffer.

sheetsoflux · 27/01/2024 11:32

I'm Generation Z.

Some of these comments are so sad. You want us to fight and put ourselves on the line, and as one poster put it 'part of them wants it to happen so they can see us toughen up'

Shame on you. My generation has a lot of flaws, who doesn't? But we are generally open minded, curious for knowledge, and care for the less abled. We are breaking down taboos and speaking out.

And yet all anyone seems to do is judge us like they're so perfect themselves.

Shame on you.

IClaudine · 27/01/2024 11:32

And nobody would dare attack us, even less expect us to get our hands dirty defending ourselves! Other people will do that for us, from other places

Where has anyone said that?

The UK would just be a bit player in a global conflict. We have no power in the world now as a pp said. The only reason we might get attacked I suppose is if we have US weapons on our soil. But that sort of attack wouldn't be on the ground.

FloorWipes · 27/01/2024 11:32

I wonder if Brexit won't actually be bad from that perspective. The UK would always have struggled to support things like the EU army, but the EU needs to implement these kinds of measures. We may be better apart in that sense.

crumblingschools · 27/01/2024 11:33

I have to say I have always thought if we end up with war in this country then surely the world is fucked as I assume most of Europe and North America will also be attacked and we would have nowhere to go and it would likely end in a very big explosion 😔

Twiglets1 · 27/01/2024 11:36

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I would like to volunteer my husband for the Dad's army 😉

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