Death penalty.

[CurlewKate]

Why don't they use an anaesthetic? Then do whatever barbaric thing they're going to.

Surely that takes the pleasure out of it, knowing they aren't suffering, they're asleep whilst dying, where's the fun in that. Also, Propofol is expensive.
They unfortunately still have basic human rights whilst on death row.

Also because pharmaceutical companies won't sell anaesthetic to prisons for use in executions. They also won't sell the drugs used for lethal injection hence prisons experimenting to find alternative ways to carry out the death penalty.

Just how many ways is this post bollocks it's difficult to count.

I think it was posted in the spirit of irony. A bit like Swift's "A Modest Proposal".

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1080/1080-h/1080-h.html

Because this would have to be carried out by a trained anaesthetist and from what I understand (,might be wrong) doctors and nurses do not participate in executions. Also drug companies do not want to provide drugs for executions

How It Feels To Kill 62 People – ThinkProgress

The death penalty is often justified on the grounds that it brings peace to the families of victims; that the act of ending a life may mark an end to their pain. But for those who impose the death penalty, the truth about the emotional trauma of killing another human being belies this logic.
“You can’t tell me I can take the life of people and go home and be normal. If I had known what I’d have to go through as an executioner, I wouldn’t have done it. It took a lot out of me to do it.”
These are the words of Jerry Givens, former state executioner for the Virginia Department of Corrections. Givens executed 62 people over 17 years in a state that ranks third in the nation for number of executions. The emotional toll of his former job is something he can’t escape. “You have to transform yourself into that person that will take a life. Every time an execution was announced, it meant that I had to prepare myself mentally to kill.”

Also because pharmaceutical companies won't sell anaesthetic to prisons for use in executions.

this surprises me as pharmaceutical companies aren’t always known for their outstanding ethics.

Hippocratic oath stops trained personnel doing it & a lot of criminals have shit veins due to drug use.

Well how have they previously administered lethal injection then?

@InAnotherLifetimeMaybe you don't have to be a doctor to administer it but to get it into shitty veins a high degree of expertise is needed hence in this case another method was used.

Apparently they train prison staff to do so

bullet would be cheaper and quicker

Is the death penalty barbaric?

Serial killers.
The kind of men who prey on women and kill them for kicks.
Sadists and torturers.

They’ve all lost their place in society by their vile actions. The death penalty’s too good for them.

Because those that carry out executions are not trained medics (they can not intentionally kill I am not sure how this works in the cases of euthanasia)

And there has to be some form of suffering to appease those that support the death penalty as if being on death Ron for often a number of years, often going through appeal after appeal to keep living isn’t enough of a punishment

That's why they are using nitrogen. Believe it or not, it IS painless and absolutely as cheap as chips. I'd opt for that any day.

Oh yeah nothing like being gassed to death hey?! Great option.

Sickos on this thread

One of the many reasons why I am against the death penalty is, as a PP mentioned, the fact that somebody else is involved: there needs to be somebody on the other end to depress the plunger / push the button / place the rope / pull the trigger etc.

I think that is a terrible and inhumane thing to inflict on another person.

Agree 100%

I only have sympathy for the victims. Sadly on this and another thread, that seems to be rare. A lot of hand wringing and hearts bleeding for evil men.

Hanging, in the hands of an experienced hangman, is apparently the most humane. Or slow deprivation of oxygen in a chamber.

I’ve always wondered if they sterilise the needle for execution by lethal injection.

Anyway, state execution is sordid. I’m very glad we banned it decades ago.

If you read what happened to Clayton Lockett, there was a Dr present and it still took 45 mins and a heart attack for him to die. Its barbaric.

It's not about hand wringing and bleeding hearts for brutes and villains. Not at all.

It's about ethics. Being unwilling to take a human life, any life. That's the principle. That's one mark of a civilised society.

And the number of people who have been mistakenly executed, very young (see Emmett Till) or having mental health problems also needs to be taken into account.

There's no bleeding hearts...there's people deeply concerned with the idea that a state has the power to gas people to death.

I looked into this once after coming across all the botched executions, and reading about how painful and inhumane the lethal injection is. I thought there were SO MANY drugs etc that I knew of personally that would ensure a fairly quick and painless death, how on earth is it that difficult to ‘put down’ a human like we do with animals? I was surprised to read that they do not have access to the drugs they would need. No drug manufactures want their drug to be associated with the death penalty and executions, they will simply not allow them to use their drugs. So they’re left looking for poor alternatives.

Death penalty apologists, I take it you’ll be volunteering to kill the prisoners should the need arise then? Because only the sort of people who are comfortable killing others could possibly condone the death penalty. Unless, of course, you’re complete hypocrites.

For those in favour of capital punishment, I have the following proposal.

All who are in favour are registered as pro execution. Whenever the inevitable miscarriages of justice occur, their name is put into a lottery and the holder of the lucky name drawn is summarily executed out of a sense of justice for society. Before any executions at all are performed, this procedure will be followed for all the miscarriages we know about in, say, the last 100 years. Those people who vote against this form of punishment are obviously exempt from the justice lottery.

As I said above, I’m against capital punishment.

But what you’ve suggested is just silly. We can all kill lawfully if mistakenly, as self-defence. The facts of a particular case will be important, of course.

Assuming the state operates through fair court procedure, standards of proof, avenues of appeal and so on, there’s no reason to impose guilt on people who support the death penalty any more than there is on people who support a complete defence to murder of self-defence.