Death penalty.

[CurlewKate]

Why don't they use an anaesthetic? Then do whatever barbaric thing they're going to.

@WhatsTheUseOfWorrying

So no state sponsored retribution for the victims of an unlawful killing by the state then? That's why there shouldn't be 'lawful' state murder.

With this method used on Kenneth Eugene Smith, so for as long as he can hold his breath he can avoid inhaling the gas?

That's sick. It's all disgusting. More killing. It never ends.

I don’t understand that. Do you mean ‘retribution’?

have you read the witness account of the people in the chamber of the man being gassed yesterday? did not sound painless or humane to me! there’s a reason that vets don’t put animals down this way

Pharmaceutical companies don’t want their name associated with facilitating the death penalty.

Also the people doing the injections aren’t health professionals. I would guess that you’d need some medical training to be qualified to deal with such anaesthetics.

This.

Let the bastards suffer terrrible pain

@InAnotherLifetimeMaybe they train prison staff to cannulate. But this has caused a lot of problems because people on death row are usually really underweight and frail so it’s hard to find the veins (wouldn’t be as hard if it was your actual profession). If the cannulation fails then the products are poorly injected and the process drags on/is inhumane for the prisoner.

@WhatsTheUseOfWorrying

I mean that many view the death penalty as the state's way of meting out justice or retribution for heinous crimes. I'm saying a miscarriage of justice leading to an execution is actually an equivalent or worse crime than any an individual could commit and someone should bear the brunt of that crime. It would be fair from that person to be representative of those that obviously don't care about miscarriages of justice.

I honestly think it's down to the desire for punishment l, and that's why they don't just execute them quickly after conviction.

I obviously don't agree with capital punishment for anything other than murder, but when I've ever read on news articles what the actual horrific crimes US death row inmates have done, I think if I was one of their victim's parents, I would feel pretty sick at how much global concern they were getting about their right to a peaceful death

Yes but I think with the debate around the death penalty, there's too much focus of the criminals and what they've done. I actually think it's not really the issue. We all know there are terrible people who do terrible things. This isn't news.

I think the debate is actually more basic...do you think the state should be able to kill people?

Even though Boris Johnson by his inactions killed 20,000 people, and there are those in the Royal Mail who effectively hounded several sub-postmasters to their death, I still do not believe in the death penalty.

Thank you. I see.

The state sentences to death after due process (one would hope). So it can’t be murder. The state has a lawful excuse, just as mistaken killing in self-defence or defence of another is a lawful excuse (again, facts allowing). Analogously, the state is killing in self-defence of citizens generally.

I agree that state approved execution of criminals (war and immediate threat are different) signals hopelessness and is shabby. States should rise above it. But that’s got nothing to do with it being wrong and a cause for shame for people who disagree with me.

@WhatsTheUseOfWorrying

I don't really believe in a lottery such as I described. I'm taking an extreme theoretical position to highlight that, regardless of any other factors in the debate, the potential for miscarriages of justice should always tip the balance against capital punishment. I personally believe there are other moral, ethical and, indeed, practical reasons but I've yet to hear a decent argument justifying miscarriages of justice.

I said in another thread, one of the rules in many places that use liquid nitrogen is that you can't travel with it in a lift. It's because you're dead before you realise it. The atmosphere is 80% nitrogen. Your body doesn't even register it. You simply fall asleep.

Truth be told, I actually think he was putting on a show, or had some underlying issue. The guy said "I love you" to the witnesses as he was taken in. It's clear he wanted to make a dramatic scene.

If you look up nitrogen hypoxia, ALL accounts say you literally just pass out and go to sleep. No pain, no discomfort.

Yes if only people would just go quietly to their deaths without "making a scene"

For an execution, do you have a 'Comedycook-sanctioned' method?

Bullets are messy
Decapitations are disgusting
Lethal injections are expensive

If you read up about every nitrogen hypoxia case, they ALL say it's like going to sleep. What would you suggest as an alternative? If you had to pick... no "I'm against the death penalty" get out of jail free card...

There is no humane way to kill someone imo.

Gassing is particularly chilling for historical reasons I'm sure I don't need to explain.

I didnt know this, where do they get them from then?

Do pharmaceutical companies have the hippocratic oath then? I thought that was just medics?

If someone murdered anyone i loved, on purpose, i'd be first in line to take their life.

I heard that pharmaceutical companies are scared of being sued. No idea if that's true or not. I mean it's also not great PR

What happened?

Yes true

I dont agree with the death penalty. I just dont agree a human has a right to take a life unless its in self defence and it occurs because of that self defence.

But if a country decides to have it, if the people of that country are comfortable with it then it should be as painless as possible.

i think a previous poster meant George Stinney Jr not Emmett Till. Both absolutely horrific murders of children.

So few executions happen, the cost of the drugs will be nothing relative to the cost of a high security prison space for 30+ years on death row.

Yes but no decent doctor, nurse or anaesthetist would want to be part of that. Apparently getting prison staff to do it is also difficult. Despite what the baying for blood mob on here say, vast majority of people would find it incredibly difficult and traumatic to execute someone and to be honest, the people who are fine with it probably shouldn't be the ones carrying it out