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Absolutely appalled by Kenneth Eugene Smith's execution

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Haunting10 · 26/01/2024 18:45

Appalled is too soft a word. I feel physically sick and angry.

What a sick world we live in.

I am against the death penalty. One person wrongly convicted and sentenced to death is too many. This particular case sounds like torture, and to use what the Nazis used on millions, its just disturbing on so many levels.

I keep thinking about it. But what can we do? I'm in UK, and expect any activism will be happening in US.

What will happen to the state of Alabama? Surely something must be done. This was not human.

OP posts:
Missingmyusername · 26/01/2024 20:20

notknowledgeable · 26/01/2024 20:15

You have heard of "running about like a headless chicken" ? There are typically a lot of movements after death, you might think an animal was struggling, but it is brain dead, even possibly headless. humans too can move a lot in the time after death. I have seen people raise and cross their arms while I have been laying them out, and also they make vocal noises sometimes too. After being certified dead. I have heard these movements called "anoxic discharges" I am not sure what that means.

Thank you for responding and explaining, I see the point you were making now.

blackpanth · 26/01/2024 20:20

dimllaishebiaith · 26/01/2024 20:19

You started the patronising by informing everyone who is against the death penalty that they wouldn't be against it if it was their loved one who was killed as if they weren't capable of knowing their own mind so you had to do it for them

But how can anyone not want to watch someone get punished after killing a loved one.

There is a wide scale between punished and tortured and killed. If you fall down on the side of tortured and killed then that's your choice. But I would never, regardless of circumstance think that the death penalty, especially using a technique like this, was an appropriate punishment

I've not been patronising at all. Gave my opinion.

dimllaishebiaith · 26/01/2024 20:21

BMW6 · 26/01/2024 20:19

Well I would be different from a murderer if I volunteered to be the executioner of such a criminal - I'd do it for free.

But I would insist on the execution being swift, efficient and as painless as possible. So guillotine as I proposed previously.

"I'm willing to kill for free so long as its quick"

Nice slogan

Naptrappedmummy · 26/01/2024 20:21

So, what should be the punishment for brutally murdering somebody? 3 meals a day and a PlayStation? An isolated cell? Hard labour? What?

dimllaishebiaith · 26/01/2024 20:21

blackpanth · 26/01/2024 20:20

I've not been patronising at all. Gave my opinion.

As did I...

LakeTiticaca · 26/01/2024 20:21

InAnotherLifetimeMaybe · 26/01/2024 20:11

All the mumsnetters thinking this was ok

Like to see you all volunteer to murder him

Assemble a few parents whose children have been murdered and I'm pretty sure they would be happy to end the fucker in the most painful way possible

InAnotherLifetimeMaybe · 26/01/2024 20:21

@BMW6 so who would you have clean up at your guilotine scene? Who are you proposing retrieves the body part etc?

strawberryswizzler · 26/01/2024 20:22

“She had been stabbed, and beaten with a fireplace implement, in what investigators would soon conclude was a murder-for-hire paid for by the pastor and staged to look like a home invasion and burglary.”

About his victim, by the way. If you really feel sorry for this man you’re frankly strange. I truly hope his last moments were utterly grim.

CavalierApproach · 26/01/2024 20:22

Anisette · 26/01/2024 20:15

Of course they are descending to his standards, and below them. They are saying "It is wrong to kill" yet they are killing someone. Not only that, they are doing it by a method condemned as torture after a previous horrendous failed attempt.

Your false imprisonment analogy self-evidently doesn't work. The clue is in the word "false".

Your false imprisonment analogy self-evidently doesn't work. The clue is in the word "false".

This kind of sounds like you’ve misunderstood what “false imprisonment” normally means

ChickenSoupAndLokshen · 26/01/2024 20:22

Some previous posters have said there's a difference between justice and revenge. Should there be? Is revenge a bad thing?

InAnotherLifetimeMaybe · 26/01/2024 20:22

Naptrappedmummy · 26/01/2024 20:21

So, what should be the punishment for brutally murdering somebody? 3 meals a day and a PlayStation? An isolated cell? Hard labour? What?

If only you knew!!

Anisette · 26/01/2024 20:22

Justcallmebebes · 26/01/2024 20:08

Exactly

Should the entire sentencing system be built on the revenge instincts of victims and their relatives?

If I was the victim of a minor burglary and decided I wanted the perpetrator to be tortured to death, am I entitled to expect the prison system to do that?

Naptrappedmummy · 26/01/2024 20:22

InAnotherLifetimeMaybe · 26/01/2024 20:22

If only you knew!!

?

betterangels · 26/01/2024 20:23

Anisette · 26/01/2024 20:18

So what? That post was in response to the claim that he knew what was going to happen. How could he know that?

I just don't think it matters. He paid the consequence for being the kind of person who killed a woman in cold blood. If he hadn't done that, he wouldn't have been punished.

thecatsthecats · 26/01/2024 20:23

Most people think from the perspective of "I'd want to see my loved one's killer punished". Never "if my loved one killed someone, this is how I'd want them punished".

Anisette · 26/01/2024 20:23

Windymcwindyson · 26/01/2024 20:10

He requested that method.
And took 22 minutes to die...
He should feel quite lucky his request was honoured...
The woman's family had no say in his actions. They have suffered more than 22 minutes..

No, he didn't.

Papillon23 · 26/01/2024 20:23

Saschka · 26/01/2024 20:05

So, very long ago, we went on a school chemistry trip to a BOC plant (exciting times). During that trip, it was explained to us that, as nitrogen is heavier than mixed air, any nitrogen leak would settle into services trenches and pipe ways, and there had been deaths where people inadvertently went into these contaminated areas and died instantly, as the oxygen was sucked out of their blood by the reverse concentration gradient. Very very fast, apparently.

I’m not sure what the set up was in this case - maybe the nitrogen was slowly piped in, instead of him entering a 100% nitrogen environment. But anyway, sounds like it’s a potentially quick and painless death if done right. The sensation of suffocation is usually down to a build up of carbon dioxide, not a lack of oxygen, so you shouldn’t feel respiratory distress.

I don’t support the death penalty in any way, just interested in the physiology.

I'm opposed to the death penalty full stop, and horrified by the fact that this has been done as basically a human experiment.

But I am also, like you, very confused as to why it appeared to have been so apparently distressing and have taken so long. My understanding was similar to yours: that nitrogen is an inert gas, that is doesn't result in a build up of carbon dioxide in your blood and therefore shouldn't result in the distressing sensation of suffocation. But it clearly did from the eye witness accounts. It feels like this can't have been adequately planned; I guess it may be hard to get suitably scientifically trained people to plan such horrid things maybe.

Windymcwindyson · 26/01/2024 20:24

Doesn't the Bible say an eye for an eye?

Universalsnail · 26/01/2024 20:24

BMW6 · 26/01/2024 19:31

I don't know why they don't use a guillotine. Totally instant and guaranteed painless.

If I were to get a choice of method it's what I'd go for 100%.

I don't have any sympathy for any murderer

Not painless for the poor execution staff who would develop PTSD from witnessing and having to clean up people's chopped off heads though

Missingmyusername · 26/01/2024 20:24

dimllaishebiaith · 26/01/2024 20:14

I see another MN thread about the death penalty has brought out all the torture porn fetishists ready to claim they are happy to kill people for money, claiming it makes them different to the man who was put to death for killing people for money...

Not for money.

But if someone murdered my child, my life would be over anyway, I would have absolutely no issue with taking that person’s life- as slowly and painfully as possible.

Devonshiregal · 26/01/2024 20:25

LuluBlakey1 · 26/01/2024 19:32

I have never supported the death penalty but I now think I would. I have qualms about innocent people, mistakenly convicted, but where there is no doubt, as in this case, I think for murder or severe cases of sexual abuse, or acts of terrorism, I would support it. I can see no sense in keeping these people alive or allowing them to live in prison with any degree of comfort for the rest of their lives.
I would include in that people like the bloke who killed those people In Nottingham and who was on the news yesterday and the one who pushed the little French boy off the viewing gallery balcony of the Tate. I am uninterested in their mental illness - they knowingly and deliberately murdered someone, knew it was wrong, have expressed no remorse and I see no sense in them being locked up for life.
I think shooting is the cleanest, quickest option.

Edited

Oh gosh yes, I think of that little boy often and wonder how he’s doing.

Agree with you. And frankly don’t understand what the point of prison is if you’re going to be treated in a gentle and lovely manner while you’re there. I mean what’s the punishment?

i mean if you’ve gone to jail for a parking ticket or something fair enough but these guys beat a woman horrendously and savagely to her death and everyone’s sitting here feeling sick and sad for him? It’s strange.

On the other hand would I be able to order that killing or administer the fatal dose? No.

it’s so conflicting

Windymcwindyson · 26/01/2024 20:25

Some people do get job satisfaction.

urbanbuddha · 26/01/2024 20:26

You can think the crime he committed was abhorrent and also find his punishment abhorrent. They're not mutually exclusive.

This.

AlwaysGinPlease · 26/01/2024 20:27

I'll save all my sympathy for the real
Victim, you know , Elizabeth Sennett, the mother of two he brutally stabbed and beat to death for money . Her death wasn't a pleasant one so why should his be.

Absolutely appalled by Kenneth Eugene Smith's execution
Anisette · 26/01/2024 20:27

BMW6 · 26/01/2024 20:13

I don't doubt many hundreds would be fine to do it!

There was a time when people were happy to join in stoning others to death for being members of the wrong religion. There was a time when people happily gathered round whilst others were burnt alive, or placed under heavy slabs and crushed until they suffocated. Sadly, we still have some of these primitives around. That is cause for regret, not justification for state torture.

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