Where do the people from the dinghies go?

[FreyaFromTheFens]

When they jump off the boat where do they go? Have they been given prior instructions of the direction to head or do they just run anywhere and what then? Hide out for a while?

No one in authority is there to direct them to processing buildings are they?

I just can't imagine the numbers of them that are getting here each month all having somewhere to go straight away. If you live where this happens what's it like and do you feel safe?

For goodness sake, imagine being on the receiving end of a call like that! Imagine that was your child running screaming from a hail of bullets, injured, bleeding, desperate, having just seen two of their friends cut to pieces in the escape.

I think you would pretty much promise the world to give them a chance to get out, wouldn't you.

The story is credible because the story is true.

As I said, you don't understand the process of becoming a surgeon in some areas of the world - I have described at least two examples I have known already

@TheThingIsYeah if they are illegal and not seeking asylum, they are not registered and are unknown therefore cannot get a council house because they are not in any system. They are most likely living in slums and fruit picking on the black market

Paying traffickers and crossing in boats isn’t great though whether it’s the Med or (used to be) to get in to Aus

You can deter and stop traffickers, then put in other routes, but otherwise it’s big and profitable business and will grow

But why on earth would you let pesky facts get in the way of a good anti-foreigner rant?

You are an illiterate 10 year old with no education. You help carry your critically injured father to hospital after he stands on a land mine. You are the only able bodied person in the room when the surgeon says he needs another pair of hands to help him operate. You are in the operating theatre helping operate on your own father. You impress the surgeon with your calmness and dexterity. He offers to treat your father for free in return for your daily assistance in the operating theatre. 5 years later you are doing operations on your own. 5 years after that you arrive in the UK as a refugee, without being able to read a word, but with a detailed understanding of the human anatomy, and a wealth of medical experience

Oh for Christ's sake, really? I mean really?

Why would the surgeon be all alone in the operating theatre anyway? Presumably the operating theatre is in a hospital? If the hospital is fortunate enough to have a qualified surgeon (usually top of the pile) what's happened to the rest of the hospital hierarchy? Surgeons don't operate (excuse the pun) in a bubble. Or are they prepping their own instruments, prepping the theatre, prepping the patient, doing anaesthetics? All by themselves? Literally not another vaguely medically inclined staff member, or just, you know, an adult around to help? Not one.

No. All the surgeon has is a big eyed, ten year old child with fear in their heart, but a surprisingly deft touch with a retractor. And as the child bends earnestly to his task he feels the call of Destiny swelling to a crescendo.........

Yeah, right. Whatever.

It’s a bit fantastic I’ll give you that

Some strange posts lately

@Bookist Sounds like a story out of StateofLinkedIn, doesn't it? I was waiting for the bit where all the staff in the hospital got up and clapped.

It's absolutely bonkers! It would make a fab screenplay though. But like Good Will Hunting but they'd be wearing scrubs.

Idris Elba would be amazing as the curmudgeonly, but gifted surgeon who agrees to train the illiterate, urchin child in the mystical Way of the Scalpel.

Yes really. What is it about this scenario that you feel you have to ask "Really?" about - this is not an unusual scenario at all. Not everywhere in the world is like the UK.

Couldn't happen though. The hospital staff couldn't clap, because there were no hospital staff, remember? Hence the surgeon requiring the assistance of the illiterate, but bright eyed child to run the autoclave and bung in a few sutures.

This surgeon element which has appeared - are you and others saying someone who learns this way (as you say is possible) should work in the NHS should they arrive as a refugee?

Is it? Is it really? Have you personally witnessed this scenario? And if so, why on Earth didn't the surgeon get you, an actual adult, lend a hand with a bit of surgery? Rather than drafting in a small child to help???

I am not going to come back onto this thread. I know these people you are sneering at. There are some very insular, very ignorant people posting who know nothing at all except there own tiny little bubble of privileged western existence.

What authority on this planet is there to insist that to be asked to help in an operating theatre you have to be a certain age, or have a certain level of literacy? Just look at the UK 100 years ago, barbar surgeons were just apprenticed, no literacy or age restrictions applied - this is why surgeons are called Mr, not Dr.

There are many many places where the career path into surgery is still similar. Just because it is outside of your experience, does not give you the right to sneer at the lives of other people. It just shows your ignorance, and your personality flaws.

I'll maybe come back onto the thread a few pages down the line, when these unpleasant people have lost interest and gone elsewhere, and see if the thread has reverted back to interesting posts from people with something to say.

The notice doesn't say you'll get an appointment, unfortunately. If only. We're definitely all equal on that one. Just that they don't discriminate.

You're reading too much into what I put!! It's as bad as everywhere else. Sorry.

The surgeons who arrive but do not meet requirements for a visa - are pp suggesting they work as a surgeon within the NHS?

well, this particular boy IS now working for the NHS as it happens, although not in a role that requires much in the way of qualifications. It can be very hard to grow up illiterate and then try to learn reading and writing as an adult, when you have had no experience of it before. Still, he has an incredible knowledge, as do many people who rely totally on memory, unusual in our culture, but not unusual in a world wide sense.

Right, so I take it that's a no? You haven't personally witnessed such a scenario. Did someone tell you this is how they learned to be a skilled surgeon <head tilt>

I suppose in some very poor countries this happens. But that doesn't qualify anyone to be a surgeon . I guess it's like many years ago pre NHS when a old woman who had many children herself , assisted many women giving birth at home and became the community midwife but was not qualified and had no formal education.

Yes, of course. But thank God medicine has moved on from those times.

Erm, child labour laws, for a start?
Also, 100 years ago abortions etc were performed by just about anybody and many women died, are you saying the same standards should apply now?

I'm from a developing country and it's quite insulting that you think we have no standards actually. Needs must - in some very rural areas there are medicine men/healers, people who take on a medical role. That doesn't mean they're qualified doctors or surgeons. 'Surgeons' needing assistance from 5 year olds under duress in wartime conditions doesn't make said 5 year old a qualified surgeons! You think people undergo years of training for fun?

If you're that convinced, don't waste any taxpayer funds if you need any surgery, contact this boy and ask him to do it. But you won't cuz you've flounced at us pointing out your ridiculousness 💃

Yeah definitely I can see how this could happen.

but @notknowledgeable is trying to pass off ‘someone asked to help in an operating theatre’ as a ‘skilled surgeon’
However well intentioned, that’s just not true.

and flouncing when you get asked to explain yourself, is just silly.

I think it's horribly patronising to assert that hospitals in developing countries would allow this nonsense scenario to happen, because their standards are so low.

And in this nonsense scenario why on Earth would the surgeon keep a small child as an unpaid helper? Rather than encouraging and supporting the child into education? The surgeon teaching the child to, you know, read & write, would have been massively more beneficial for the child. They could then have possibly accessed a recognised medical education.