Where do the people from the dinghies go?

[FreyaFromTheFens]

When they jump off the boat where do they go? Have they been given prior instructions of the direction to head or do they just run anywhere and what then? Hide out for a while?

No one in authority is there to direct them to processing buildings are they?

I just can't imagine the numbers of them that are getting here each month all having somewhere to go straight away. If you live where this happens what's it like and do you feel safe?

Can you send me the details of this GPsurgery as I would also like access to health care as well please

@Kendodd

Yes they are lied to . They end up getting exploited working in the Black Economy for a pittance cash in hand . Or stuck in one room for years on end .

@notknowledgeable I suggest you think a bit harder about whether that story is credible! People always have a story. They need one to make their claim.
There are not random groups of people intercepting ‘fleeing’ people at airports ready to issue quality fake passports and quality fake visas good enough for someone to board a plane to the west. It’s business and more organised than that.
The vast majority of the boat people expect and arrange to be intercepted and collected. Some have incentives to try and avoid being intercepted. Previous deportees and others with reason to hide from authorities.
The idea that providing a UK desk to make an application from whilst in Europe will stop the boats is laughable. There is already a process. It’s called applying for a visa. People just can’t qualify.

It’s not that shit. And traffickers earn huge amounts from selling entry

Again, could you share your evidence for thinking that the majority are economic migrants?

@MrsBennetsPoorNerves

Because they destroy their documents before they get on the boat . Lie about where they are from . A lot are Albanians nothing going down in Albania. It's big business in Albania . Google it . Do I blame them ? No .I blame this Government.

Look up a video called Popping Smoke on U tube .

It was huge business which can be stopped if people are returned. This has happened with Albania and numbers have dropped

It’s harder to do the same with other countries, so what would you like to see put in place?

Exactly, it's little wonder that so many people are so opposed to them as they're portrayed as swanning off into free housing and given every benefit going whilst "our own" struggle to get anything.

Sounds like this really isn't the case and their reality is very grim.

I deliberately didn't specify men to avoid a pile on but yes i've yet to see women and children on the boats but is that reality or just what is reported?

It is such a complex subject. Tbh I recently watched the 24 hours in police custody about the people who died coming over in a lorry. Men, women and teenagers suffocating to death in a lorry on the channel. It's was heartbreaking. I don't know the answer, does anyone?! But surely there must be one.

Sorry @zonic, I was looking for proper evidence from a reliable, well researched source - not a YouTube video or an instruction to Google it.

Yes, there was a specific problem with Albanian migrants which has largely been addressed. But what's the evidence to back up your statement that most of the arrivals now are economic migrants?

So you didn't watch it .

@FreyaFromTheFens

Children do come with Adults and yes life is really not great for them until they can get Asylum . Some have gone back voluntarily. I know someone that works in a deportation centre and they told me a lot are disillusioned, are failed asylum seekers from other countries and some come back time and time again via Ireland . Some are genuine but somehow don't satisfy the criteria. They are the ones I feel sorry for .

Rotating work permits so people get a chance to make some money to take back home . Like a lot of Polish people I know who have managed to buy several houses that they rent out in Poland plus send some home for their parents.

I believe doctors may be among refugees but I don’t believe for one moment that a gifted surgeon is illiterate

You know google maps?

Yes they are given instruction or even with the person that bought them across.

Its not difficult

No, neither do I. I was responding to the suggestion that doctors wouldn't ever need to seek asylum because they could just apply for work visas instead, which seemed to be the argument that was put forward by some posters.

No, because I don't know who made it, what research they have done or what their agenda is. Anyone can put anything on YouTube. I'm more interested in reliable sources based on actual research.

Actually they can't. Many countries have paper-based systems and qualifications, so they may not be able to prove their qualifications. Their training may not be recognised in another country even if they have that proof, their language may not be good enough to practice, they may have limited skills working in a healthcare system set up like their new country

People trafficking is happening all around us. A couple of years back i was visiting a beautiful tourist town ( tudor buildings, cobbled streets, quaint middle age churches etc) and I watched something unfold which I couldn't get my head around at first. I was enjoying a coffee outside in the sunshine and on the bench next to me were a group of 5-6 Bulgarian/ Romanian(?) Women dressed in long flowing skirts and headscarves surrounded by a mountain of luggage - cases, carrier bags, those checked plastic bags you take to the laundrette , basically like all their worldly possessions not just a suitcase like a typical tourist. They looked entirely at odds with their environment and stick out like a site thumb as the town is nowhere near an airport and is very rural. It literally looked like they had been plonked there in the middle of nowhere. One woman seemed to be in charge and was issuing commands whilst anxiously checking her mobile and looking up and down the street. This went on for about forty minutes until a transit van appeared with a couple of younger men inside who grabbed their stuff and bundled them inside. It looked very much like people trafficking to me and if so, it's happening right in front of us in the most unexpected places !

Life is sh *t here if you are not an illegal immigrant, I often wonder if these people who risk their lives realise this. The UK really isn't all it's cracked up to be. I have seen video footage of immigrants returning realising just that. It's a shame that some risk life and limb to discover this though!

Wow! what an amazingly narrow and blinkered westernised view of the world, that is not how it works everywhere!

100 years ago in the uk surgeons were apprenticed, no reading or writing necessary, and in many places around the world it is still the same.

You are an illiterate 10 year old with no education. You help carry your critically injured father to hospital after he stands on a land mine. You are the only able bodied person in the room when the surgeon says he needs another pair of hands to help him operate. You are in the operating theatre helping operate on your own father. You impress the surgeon with your calmness and dexterity. He offers to treat your father for free in return for your daily assistance in the operating theatre. 5 years later you are doing operations on your own. 5 years after that you arrive in the UK as a refugee, without being able to read a word, but with a detailed understanding of the human anatomy, and a wealth of medical experience.

That is one example. Another example is a family I knew who already had medically trained people amongst them when the war started in their homeland. A sibling group was orphaned, and taken in by an uncle who owned a hospital, and all of them started work there the same day. This group could in fact read and write to some extent, and their uncle taught them more, but he mostly taught them how to do operations, which was what was needed there and then, and gave them a skill they could earn a living by, whereas reading and writing , not so much.

And as to surgeons trained and qualified in the Western sense that you are talking about - yes, many many find themselves refugees. I have taken one in myself. He had trained in Europe 20 years earlier before returning to his home country. His identity and qualifications were later confirmed by staff at the university he had attended. he got refugee status, eventually, that was a long hard slog. he is now quite high up in the NHS.

Many doctors, surgeons and medical staff become refugees - they are in some cases known to be the targets of some regimes. The man who stayed with me had seen most of his faculty executed.

I just answered that post! Thank you though. I think it is really sad people seem to believe things like this. I have known many many doctors who have become refugees. In fact, quite a few who were doctors in their home country are teachers here in the UK, once their refugee status is given. I expect lots of mumsnetters have children being taught by such people, even though they are totally unaware

You'll be pleased to here that the vast majority of asylum seekers are granted asylum, and that the number of asylum seekers is not high by European standards. We can deal with the backlog and expense of accomodation by processing claims more quickly.