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One of the saddest stories in a long time TW: Neglect/child death

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Perjo · 17/01/2024 11:11

I read this this morning and it has to be one of the saddest, most avoidable child deaths I've read about in a long time. Especially where it says he was still alive on January 2nd.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/47b4c6b2-673d-4c43-8ef0-b8ba05c47f0a?shareToken=39b0f7f8b3c90882aca021214db91159

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Eggandchipss · 17/01/2024 13:11

What a shit mother!! She didn’t bother with her child for weeks and over Christmas as well. It looks very much like the poor baby was born to crap parents and didn’t stand much chance of a good life.

Fizbosshoes · 17/01/2024 13:12

This is unbelievably sad on so many levels.
I also can't hold the sw responsible, but they are often a convenient scapegoat

Lynseylou1 · 17/01/2024 13:15

As a Social worker myself my heart sank reading this in the news today. The children on our caseloads weigh heavily on our minds and there is only so much we can actually do and it really sounds like this childs social worker tried all she or he could in this situation and will be absolutely devastated right now. What's refreshing is most of the responses on this thread seem to understand the limitations of social workers in respect of us forcing entry into people's homes. It's still so frustrating that in the media the social worker is yet again being blamed for this and it's really no wonder there is a crisis in recruitment and retention of social workers when this is what we have to contend with. RIP baby boy

puncheur · 17/01/2024 13:16

therealcookiemonster · 17/01/2024 11:50

surely this woman should be convicted of child neglect?

The child wasn't in her care when he died so I can't see how she could be charged with neglect? A parent leaving a child in the care of the other parent is not neglect.

Goldbar · 17/01/2024 13:17

puncheur · 17/01/2024 13:16

The child wasn't in her care when he died so I can't see how she could be charged with neglect? A parent leaving a child in the care of the other parent is not neglect.

Indeed. Otherwise there are thousands of uninvolved fathers out there who would be guilty of criminal neglect of their children as opposed to just being shit human beings.

SaturdayGiraffe · 17/01/2024 13:18

He might have come to the letter slot if they’d called enough.
But the mother blaming others instead of tearing herself apart speaks volumes.
Another sad, short life.

aramox1 · 17/01/2024 13:20

That poor social worker.

BassoContinuo · 17/01/2024 13:20

SaturdayGiraffe · 17/01/2024 13:18

He might have come to the letter slot if they’d called enough.
But the mother blaming others instead of tearing herself apart speaks volumes.
Another sad, short life.

Assuming he was still alive and conscious then.

I don’t understand blaming the social worker. They did nothing wrong.

DeedlessIndeed · 17/01/2024 13:21

It is so, so sad.

I think this is why we need stronger communities. Neighbours, friends and family to raise the alarm if no contact for a few days.

I saw that mum was blaming social workers but IMO we can't blame statutory services as they were repeatedly visiting and raising the alarm.

Whether Police visit every time a vulnerable family aren't in for a scheduled appointment is another question, however that would take huge resources. I don't think it would be workable.

AnneShirleysNewDress · 17/01/2024 13:21

It's incredibly sad but from what's being reported the social worker is not at fault. The family don't appear to have gone to see the little boy over Christmas or New Year although a neighbour made the effort.

WineIsNotGoodForMe · 17/01/2024 13:21

I don’t think we can - on the evidence provided - blame it all on the mother with any degree of fairness.

We have been told she argued with the father and left - we don’t know how often, if at all, she tried to get in touch - she may have been blocked; we don’t know if she was the one who sought SW help.

We don’t know if she was capable of visiting - obviously I don’t know this, but if she had been admitted to hospital or arrested for example she may have been physically incapable of intervening.

She may have been subject to strict visitation terms and calendars of contact and was not allowed to reach out.

It’s an absolute tragedy - but I do think people are reaching out to blame the mother without enough evidence to do so.

maddiemookins16mum · 17/01/2024 13:22

This makes me so mad. The main person who let this wee lamb down is his Mother. As is usually the case in these stories tbf. Yet again SS get the blame.
That poor Social worker.

Missingmyusername · 17/01/2024 13:23

Absolutely heartbreaking, that poor terrified child.

People go on about dog licenses but Jesus Christ I think humans need to be vetted before having a child. The mother is blaming SS, no doubt keen to remove herself from blame/ prison. Selfish, despicable excuse of human.

For all the social worker knew, the dad could’ve been out each time - I don’t know why there was SS involvement in the first place. It is odd there was no crying when they went? Unless he was too frightened, ill or weak or dead to respond. Can’t read the whole thing it’s too upsetting.

Where with the neighbours, family, etc. Nobody thought to ring the police ?!

CrotchetyQuaver · 17/01/2024 13:24

What a sad story.
Sounds like the social worker did all she could and more.
What kind of mother abandons her child like that with a father known to be in poor health? Now she's deflecting and blaming everyone other than herself. Makes me very angry.

LauderSyme · 17/01/2024 13:27

Fuck The Times newspaper for trotting out their same old, tired old trope of social services 'failure'. Even though they put failure in quote marks, we know their condemnation is the same right-wing small state/nanny state narrative they always push, despite it not remotely fitting the facts here.

As pp's have said, SS appeared to be the only ones doing anything constructive at all in aid of this child's welfare.

Mind-boggling how the mother can say her son died because Social Services didn't do their job. Look in the mirror, woman.

LeviOsaNotLeviosaa · 17/01/2024 13:29

None of you have the first idea as to why this mother wasn't involved, but it's all her fault?

Nice work, MN. Nice work.

Poor Bronson :( And that poor SW too, who did nothing but exactly what she should have.

SisterMichaelsHabit · 17/01/2024 13:29

Absolutely heartbreaking but SS were the only ones who gave enough of a damn to try and get to him. The police should have come out when SS called them the first time. They should take a lot of the responsibility. And the mother should have phoned police for a welfare check given that she claims she was being kept away from the child by the father. If I hadn't heard from my little ones for that long, especially at Christmas, I would have been raising complete hell.

Poor little toddler. He was curled up with his daddy when they found him. 😭

Fizbosshoes · 17/01/2024 13:32

DeedlessIndeed · 17/01/2024 13:21

It is so, so sad.

I think this is why we need stronger communities. Neighbours, friends and family to raise the alarm if no contact for a few days.

I saw that mum was blaming social workers but IMO we can't blame statutory services as they were repeatedly visiting and raising the alarm.

Whether Police visit every time a vulnerable family aren't in for a scheduled appointment is another question, however that would take huge resources. I don't think it would be workable.

Agree, I wonder if anyone heard the boy crying...but would you be accused of being a nosey neighbour if you went to ask if all was OK?

But very sad that no friends or family have close or regular enough contact to be worried/raise the alarm if they were not able to get hold of them

LambriniBobinIsleworth · 17/01/2024 13:43

Thecatmaster · 17/01/2024 12:32

I disagree. I think that it couldn't have been prevented. Well, not by social services at least. The social worker visited two days later again, reported to police and got hold of a key from the landlord.

The biggest thing that would have prevented this tragedy is 1/if the mother who seemed incapable of looking after the poor child, hadn't had a baby and particularly not with an I'll man in his 60s. But more than that, if she'd actually seen her baby in that two weeks or alerted police if she couldn't access her child.

It's heartbreaking and very easy to think that it could have been prevented, if only someone knew and had broken in immediately. However, social services often find that people are out when they visit. People tend to be away even more over the Xmas period. They can't break into every house. And, whilst one might question whether the baby should have been in the care of his father as he was unwell, equally, does the state really have a right to take children away from parents if they have health conditions? They were monitoring the situation weekly, which seems like an appropriate response to me. I feel for the poor social worker. They are almost certainly a caring individual, doing their job and now being scrutinized in the national press, having discovered a poor baby that died under their care. That must be horrendous for them too.

Agree with this. There's a lot to be said for abortion in the circumstances under which she had a baby - she obviously wasn't capable of being a parent and he was old and ill and shouldn't have been becoming a father again in his late fifties.

CactusMactus · 17/01/2024 13:45

I feel for that social worker...

applebee33 · 17/01/2024 13:47

The mother blaming social services ? Where was she ? Why didn't she check in on her son !

LauderSyme · 17/01/2024 13:48

@LeviOsaNotLeviosaa I was aware when I criticised the mum that the background of the case is likely complex and nuanced. I understand that there may have been a range of reasons why she was not caring for Bronson. I think if the dad had been abusive to her, the child would not have been placed in his care.

I still think she could have done a lot more for her son, to prevent this happening. She was quite capable of talking to the Daily Mail after the fact, to deflect and blame. Why didn't she speak to the Police before the fact, and add her concerns to the Social workers'?

Dramasloth · 17/01/2024 13:57

Porridgeislife · 17/01/2024 11:33

I cannot understand how a mother of a 2yo could go two weeks without at least asking after her son, let alone seeing him. The social workers aren’t to blame here. I feel very sorry for the poor social worker who is presumably now on stress leave, she did what she could. Poor wee mite.

Agree. Poor lad. The mother is more guilty than any social worker x

MrsMarzetti · 17/01/2024 14:00

I am not S/S biggest fan but they are not to blame here. Bronson's mother and the Police Service are to blame here.

Naptrappedmummy · 17/01/2024 14:15

Sarah, 43, told The Sun: 'If social services had done their job Bronson would still be alive.
'I can't believe it. They can't let them get away with this. We have to be able to rely on social workers to keep our children safe.'

How dare she. If she had done her job as his mother rather than treating him as a timeshare child she could abandon for weeks at a time then he would still be alive.

This is part of a wider culture of believing support services are ultimately responsible for children and their parents are doing them a favour by hosting them.

SS took appropriate action in my book, this poor little boy was failed by his mother.