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Amanda and Giovanni

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CombatLingerie · 08/01/2024 16:20

Apologies if there is already a thread but I couldn’t find one. What on earth has gone on between Amanda Abbington and Giovanni Pernice during Strictly?AA is apparently taking legal action against the BBC claiming she has PTSD.

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EvilRingahBitch · 08/01/2024 20:10

LevelBy · 08/01/2024 19:03

I think the BBC and Amanda's lawyers need to get a true account from Laura, Ritchie and anyone else who worked with him who found him difficult

Obviously their comments need to be be kept secret from the public domain so as not to affect them or their careers but they need to be heard and allowed to be truthful and honest

I think the confidentiality ship sailed this morning when the Sun flashed "Ranvir made a formal complaint about Giovanni and Laura and Richie hated his guts!" all over the front page.

Charlize43 · 08/01/2024 20:10

It has also occurred to me - why didn't AA complain to the BBC if she was being abused and they could have swapped her or when Zara McDermott was kicked off they could have paired her with Graziano and invented an injury for GP?

If she did complain about her PTSD inducing dance lessons, then the BBC seems to have done nothing about it!

Also if the rehearsals are recorded - I assume for the footage to be potentially included in the final cut as backstory, why didn't the editor of the footage spot the horrific abuse AA was having to endure? Wouldn't someone have had to watch it so the best bits could be included in?

Hocuspocusnonsense · 08/01/2024 20:11

These dancers are incredibly driven and want to win! They don’t want to make it to week 4/5 etc that want to win! Many of them set up their own dance schools on the back of being in Strictly and the more successful they are on Strictly the more bookings they will get outside of Strictly and the more they charge.

There’s been a few professional ex strictly dancers who have lifted the lid and spoke of their disappointment when they get matched with a celeb they don’t think is any good. Perhaps their frustration shows in training.

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Over40Overdating · 08/01/2024 20:11

@Phonedown I could give you chapter and verse of my experience as could others on here and you still wouldn’t believe me. As is your right.

But I knew as soon as that pairing was announced how it would end.

I believe AA does have MH issues which have impacted this situation but not that’s not all of the cause and to whip up this frenzy and speculation about someone else which could result in the end of his career on this show or leave a dark cloud on his reputation is reckless and vindictive if it is not all based in truth and fact.

So for her sake I hope she does have a case because if she’s done this just to deflect from the fact she wasn’t up to the challenge or to save face then she’s absolutely done in a professional capacity.

spanishviola · 08/01/2024 20:12

Hocuspocusnonsense · 08/01/2024 20:11

These dancers are incredibly driven and want to win! They don’t want to make it to week 4/5 etc that want to win! Many of them set up their own dance schools on the back of being in Strictly and the more successful they are on Strictly the more bookings they will get outside of Strictly and the more they charge.

There’s been a few professional ex strictly dancers who have lifted the lid and spoke of their disappointment when they get matched with a celeb they don’t think is any good. Perhaps their frustration shows in training.

Except that wouldn’t apply with Amanda as she was very good.

EvilRingahBitch · 08/01/2024 20:12

Maireas · 08/01/2024 19:56

No, I don't think so? I'm not sure about the group dance to be honest. You could be right.

They train in a group for the group number before being paired up, they do "speed dating" at the same time so the producers can assess chemistry.

Maireas · 08/01/2024 20:14

Yes, I think you're right, @EvilRingahBitch , although I had read that they do pairings according to height and other factors, eg vary who gets the ringer etc

kirinm · 08/01/2024 20:16

Over40Overdating · 08/01/2024 20:11

@Phonedown I could give you chapter and verse of my experience as could others on here and you still wouldn’t believe me. As is your right.

But I knew as soon as that pairing was announced how it would end.

I believe AA does have MH issues which have impacted this situation but not that’s not all of the cause and to whip up this frenzy and speculation about someone else which could result in the end of his career on this show or leave a dark cloud on his reputation is reckless and vindictive if it is not all based in truth and fact.

So for her sake I hope she does have a case because if she’s done this just to deflect from the fact she wasn’t up to the challenge or to save face then she’s absolutely done in a professional capacity.

It's not her doing the whipping up, is it? She's asked the BBC for footage. That's it. The papers have done the rest.

pickledandpuzzled · 08/01/2024 20:17

Hospitalshmospital · 08/01/2024 19:36

It's not baseless. She was a contestant on a dance show. There is no scenario that could meet the definition of ptsd. She's an actress, making it into a drama all about her. I find her claims insulting to those of us who genuinely suffer from ptsd. It's disgusting.

Thing is, you’re just assuming nothing happened because you haven’t heard about anything. You don’t actually know.
For all you know, there was a massive incident that we know nothing about.

You’re making massive assumptions. None of us know enough to say she doesn’t have ptsd, that nothing happened.

kirinm · 08/01/2024 20:20

I just read an article which implied there have been issues for him with other pro dancers. 'Professional jealousy'.

I've found nothing to say she's suing him or the BBC (and it would be the BBC).

SaffronSpice · 08/01/2024 20:21

Hospitalshmospital · 08/01/2024 19:47

She didn't witness death, she wasn't in fear of her life, she didn't see her friends & colleagues die. You're right I don't know what she had to deal with but I would doubt if any if it meets the clinical definition of ptsd. Just because you have no idea what you're talking about doesn't give you the right to come after me quoting metoo. You literally have no idea

You are dismissing the experience of a woman because she was an actress and a contestant on a talk show? And what do you mean ‘come after me quoting MeToo’? Do you really think the actresses who suffered sexual abuse and rape by Harvey Weinstein could not have developed PTSD as a result because they were on TV shows? The ‘casting couch’ is a very specific abusive situation that actresses suffered that could well have left them with PTSD. And it doesn’t need to be sexual abuse, workplace bullying is also known to cause PTSD and actresses are not immune from that.

Togomalone · 08/01/2024 20:22

No comment on Giovanni as we don’t know what went on, but I was surprised to learn the Pros are only paid £30k each and only get bonuses if they get past Blackpool. Doesn’t seem much for top of your game/ prime time TV! Dancing has a short life span.

I think paying them so little might have adverse consequences- Pros might push celebrities past their limits because they want to get the bonus. I know they have exposure, so can use it to maximise their earnings potential, but it’s still pathetic for a flagship BBC show.

HermioneHerman · 08/01/2024 20:22

So much conjecture on this thread. No one knows yet (or possibly ever) what went down. Media reports don't seem to be from the horse's mouth so to speak and first came from the Sun so hardly reliable! People saying it's a clear accusation against Giovanni simply cannot know that. Maybe she wants the footage for other reasons or maybe not at all! Just as much of a reach as other posts but perhaps she was receiving abuse outside their training room if the location was discovered or being followed or having panic attacks as a result, all of which the footage might show. We just don't know so the armchair lawyers and psychiatrists could probably do with frothing a bit less.

MissusWeasley · 08/01/2024 20:23

Hospitalshmospital · 08/01/2024 19:36

It's not baseless. She was a contestant on a dance show. There is no scenario that could meet the definition of ptsd. She's an actress, making it into a drama all about her. I find her claims insulting to those of us who genuinely suffer from ptsd. It's disgusting.

God. Where to even start.

Guavafish1 · 08/01/2024 20:23

personality clash

adriftinadenofvipers · 08/01/2024 20:24

Hospitalshmospital · 08/01/2024 19:36

It's not baseless. She was a contestant on a dance show. There is no scenario that could meet the definition of ptsd. She's an actress, making it into a drama all about her. I find her claims insulting to those of us who genuinely suffer from ptsd. It's disgusting.

Who do you think you are? You haven't got a clue - you don't even have the foggiest notion what might have gone on??!

MissusWeasley · 08/01/2024 20:26

I would imagine she has had to think long and hard about what she’s doing now. It’s hardly going to be career enhancing. All of this bollocks about trying to get a payout from the BBC, I imagine the very last thing she’s excited to do is go against one of the, larger employers in the UK for her profession.

Let alone all of the absolute bollocks that people come out with on the Internet and the 109 bus. She must have been through something quite traumatic, whatever it is, because let’s face it we don’t know. But based on asking for footage, we can assume that she’s pretty sure something happened to her. Although we don’t know by whom or what.

It’s the equivalent of going to HR when you’ve been sexually harassed by someone at work. It’s almost never a good outcome for the woman. And multiply that exponentially for having to do it in public. I’m not saying that’s what’s happened to her or by whom, but the comparison is valid.

ETA we already know she’s brave, though, based on being able to speak out about trans related issues.

EvilRingahBitch · 08/01/2024 20:26

HermioneHerman · 08/01/2024 20:22

So much conjecture on this thread. No one knows yet (or possibly ever) what went down. Media reports don't seem to be from the horse's mouth so to speak and first came from the Sun so hardly reliable! People saying it's a clear accusation against Giovanni simply cannot know that. Maybe she wants the footage for other reasons or maybe not at all! Just as much of a reach as other posts but perhaps she was receiving abuse outside their training room if the location was discovered or being followed or having panic attacks as a result, all of which the footage might show. We just don't know so the armchair lawyers and psychiatrists could probably do with frothing a bit less.

All of this.

EvilRingahBitch · 08/01/2024 20:28

Maireas · 08/01/2024 20:14

Yes, I think you're right, @EvilRingahBitch , although I had read that they do pairings according to height and other factors, eg vary who gets the ringer etc

Yes it's a complicated jigsaw with a whole bunch of deciding factors, and sometimes they make a really bad call.

SaffronSpice · 08/01/2024 20:29

Charlize43 · 08/01/2024 20:10

It has also occurred to me - why didn't AA complain to the BBC if she was being abused and they could have swapped her or when Zara McDermott was kicked off they could have paired her with Graziano and invented an injury for GP?

If she did complain about her PTSD inducing dance lessons, then the BBC seems to have done nothing about it!

Also if the rehearsals are recorded - I assume for the footage to be potentially included in the final cut as backstory, why didn't the editor of the footage spot the horrific abuse AA was having to endure? Wouldn't someone have had to watch it so the best bits could be included in?

If she is suing, I suspect it would be the BBC not Giovanni himself. And the failures of the BBC to protect her would be the point of her case.

m00rfarm · 08/01/2024 20:34

kirinm · 08/01/2024 20:16

It's not her doing the whipping up, is it? She's asked the BBC for footage. That's it. The papers have done the rest.

And who told the papers? The leaks are from her team

YouOKHun · 08/01/2024 20:35

Switcher · 08/01/2024 17:53

Yes that's exactly what I mean. It doesn't mean that whatever happened didn't meet the definition of bullying and harassment, and the mental distress that arise from those events. Still not PTSD. That's getting medi-vacced from Afghanistan because you're confused about what's real and cannot function...

Trauma isn’t about the event per se. Numerous people experiencing or witnessing the same event may process it very differently.

Trauma could result from many different types of events, for example, birth, accident, childhood events, combat, bullying, DA, it’s about the response to the event. If someone experiences/witnesses an event or series of events so difficult for them or life threatening that they can’t process what happened, resulting in flashbacks (re-experiencing the event/s as if fully back in the moment), nightmares, depression, overwhelming emotions, then they might be diagnosed with PTSD (if enough time has elapsed for what they are experiencing to be considered outside the realms of an acute stress reaction to an event that has just happened).

With trauma, it isn’t just bad memories, it’s as if the brain gets stuck and certain situations can trigger a very visceral response. There are very specific evidence-based treatments such as EMDR and TF-CBT and often other approaches such as Compassion Focussed Therapy are used as well. There is a book called The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk which is an interesting read on the subject but not an easy read for someone struggling.

Ultimately we don’t know what’s happened to decide whether AA has PTSD and whether she should have or already has a formal diagnosis. But she doesn’t need to have been posted to Afghanistan before she qualifies for the diagnosis.

FlyingInside · 08/01/2024 20:37

There have been at least three women (that have spoken out) who have 'issues' with Giovanni. That's three too many for me. It would appear to me that Amanda feels she has been failed by the BBC in their duty of care to her. Full disclosure required, as for the BBC digging a trench behind Giovanni, this is foolish and could cost them dearly. Best to stay impartial, just for legal reasons alone. I'm with Amanda.

Houseplanter · 08/01/2024 20:40

If there are at least 3 women who have had issues you'd think the BBC have investigated and reassured themselves, otherwise why renew his contract?

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