Voting to "Get the Tories Out" part 2

[AdamRyan]

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I honestly have no idea why this debate has continued for so long. Opinions are entrenched, nobody is going to change their mind and it’s going round in repetitious circles. Aren’t you both bored by now?

You'll blame Labour for saying that they will ensure single sex spaces for biological women, and have adopted a postion the majority of their grassroots members support?

They cannot address it because people repeatedly mischaracterise their position and say they can't be trusted (so nothing they say should be listened to).

The only potential winners from that are the Conservatives, precisely why the Tories are so keen to make it a culture war issue.

Yeah good point. I have work to do!

I ve learnt some things from the opposing POV, on single sex loos in schools for example.

As i said, if Labours Manifesto is anti women, i wont vote for them.

No, not you.

Not sure the second bit matches anything I said but moving on.

@lifeturnsonadime sorry if I missed it, but please could you clarify exactly what you want Labour to say that they haven’t said?

Of course the Tories are saying they now want to argue for sex based rights despite doing nothing the last 12 years. Gender neutral toiles in schools? Tory Government. Men in womens prisons? Tory Goverment.

If the british public started saying they hated fluffy ducks, the Tories whole manifesto would be about abolishing fluffy ducks, justice for british geese!'

They do NOT care about women. They care about power.

I had also forgotten.
As I understand it the House of Commons has yet to vote to confirm his suspension, so it needs to get through that and a recall petition before a by-election.

Some way off, but likely to occur before a GE I would have thought.

His neighbour in Blackpool North is under investigation as well.

SDP and Reform UK are very clear on this issue and have been consistently.

I agree. This is perhaps the third or fourth thread now where discussion has revolved around three or four posters pushing their single issue objectives. I have to accept that not everyone cares about addressing Poverty or woeful mh provision or a crumbling nhs or a decimated education system or the grotesque effects of austerity measures. I have only learnt one thing - that " women's rights" look nothing like the women's rights I support.

It looks like the Tories are having to defend a threat from Reform . Even though we "got Brexit done" Reform aren't happy we haven't managed to take back control of our borders. 🙄(I'm waiting for the day "take back control" is no longer part of the lexicon)

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/ec_rrose_20240102.html

Quite telling that posters who were on this thread lambasting Labour & "standing up for women and childrens rights and protections" are on another thread speculating about Kier Starmers children

Of course they are.
They aren't interested in women, children or safeguarding, just bashing Labour.

If you are referring to me, I’ve been on that thread and said I don’t believe it is true 🤷‍♀️

Yes but this is hardly a very conservative government, it is more of a new Labour government.

And the civil service is definitely left wing which may explain why women’s rights are being so disregarded in the obsessive pursuit of a pro trans (pro male) agenda.

The way the Labour Party has treated Rosie Duffield is pretty indicative about how they treat women’s rights.

Starmer’s role in the Post Office Scandal is also most unedifying but what can you expect from a flip flopping career politician who puts party before country.

Neither Labour nor Conservative are fit for purpose.

https://x.com/YouGov/status/1744386447384146069?s=20

Thinking about the condition of the UK, do you think things are currently better, worse, or about the same as they were in 2010?

All Britons
Better: 7%
Same: 13%
Worse: 75%

2019 Con voters
Better: 9%
Same: 19%
Worse: 68%

Vote to GTTO

He used the word biological, not legal.
You are asking what they’ll do in government. He’s said he would protect single sex spaces for biological women where appropriate. If the law makes that difficult he can change it - that’s what being in government allows.
Why haven’t the Tories done that?

Starmer’s role in the Post Office Scandal is also most unedifying but what can you expect from a flip flopping career politician who puts party before country.

Care to explain?

Just in case, Nigel Farage's tweet claiming similar got community noted

Royal Mail Horizon prosecutions were private criminal prosecutions.

This is not uncommon in England. Organisations like the RSPCA regularly bring private criminal prosecutions.

The Crown Prosecution Service (and Director of Public Prosecutions) are not involved in these.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/private-prosecutions

Do you support open borders OP?
Under your ideal government would we all be able to throw away our passports and have no border controls at all?
How is this a good thing for the most vulnerable in society given that this would end up with a survival
of the fittest scenario; the young healthy, strongest and fittest males with the acumen and ability to pay thousands of pounds to illegal people traffickers.

Please show your evidence that Labour supports open border

You think that despite the fact they’ve been clear about spaces for biological women and about clarifying the law around that? What else do you want them to do? Genuine question, because I can’t see what else they can…

They’ve said single sex spaces for biological women will be protected and the law clarified. What other reassurance do you want?

Given that immigration has trebled since 2010 and is still rising as more dependant family members and students are given visa's, its a rather odd accusation to make against a party which isn't even in Govt.

Can you link to Labours pledges and policy commitments on Open Borders for All please or did you just make it up?