Voting to 'Get the Tories Out'

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Pro Labour posters are all over this platform telling posters to vote for whoever gets the Tories out. It does not seem to matter who it is as long as voting for them gets the Tories out nationally.

It's a worrying voting strategy from my pov but I tend to vote at constituency level. If I had an excellent Tory MP who cared about the things I cared about and served their constituents well, I would vote for them. Similarly Labour ( I would absolutely vote for Rosie Duffield) or Independent.

Do those people who will just vote for anyone as longs as this will oust the Tories - and what could be a very good MP - ever consider the effects of this locally? They may have got the Tories out at a national level but saddled themselves with a useless MP who does nothing for the locality.

Take for example women's rights. I am a gender critical woman and care very deeply about the erosion of women's single sex spaces etc. I am sure that many of the 'Tories out at all costs' people feel the same. The pro Labour people keep telling us that Starmer will be better for women's rights BUT if you vote on a single issue - getting the Tories out - you may well elect a hopeless constituency MP who is TWAW and who will be standing up to every pro woman move that Starmer makes. I worry that there will be a lot of these in the next parliament.

So should we be voting on the single issue - get the Tories out? I don't think so - AIBU?

It's because she's a Russian communist infiltrator paid for by Corbyn.
I know this because I work for CCHQ, being paid to make Labour look stupid, and we keep tabs on the opposition

Isn't it shameful that after 13 years of the Tories, women have to campaign for this all over again.

I actually thought he was a male poster rather than a she!

It’s not quick I already posted below the response to the petition I won’t repost but scroll back.

But yes I noted a heavily invested male activist laughing Labour may be in first and he’s aware they will kill it

Which is true as they’ve stated this. So the one thing that’ll do it will be out. Maybe you’ll be pleased idk 🤷‍♂️

Excuse me, I am Ian Rishi bot Hislop Suank an american communist republican AI russian. Please do get it right.

Yeah you are right, I did assume their gender. My bad. I personally find it impossible to tell if posters are men or women, except on threads where they are defending male bad behaviour (e.g. porn or prostitution threads. A certain type of man swarms to them)

You’ll get deleted faster than anything. Dish it can’t deal springs to mind

As Margaret Thatcher said

“I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.”

And that makes it alright for you to be insulting?

Sorry, what will be out? Who is the activist? Not very clear....

The amendment in the EqA

It helps to know why an invested male thinks Labour squashing it is good for TRAs

I think you are, since you admitted to working for CCHQ a few posts ago?

They are trying to hold the LP to account and yes, I agree is shameful that they have to do this. Their focus is only the Labour party and Labour policy.
Labour has allowed the hounding and mistreatment of gender critical women and it STILL goes on with Rosie Duffield and Tonia Antoniazzi. Karen Ingala Smith was denied membership FFS.

It's a toxic environment for gc women in the Labour Party which is why many women left and gave rise to #labourlosingwomen

https://labourwomensdeclaration.org.uk/karen-ingala-smith-rejected-by-labour-party/

… to @AdamRyan

Just a random male poster on FWR threads

There’s a couple who post. On the law etc

It helps to understand what women are up against

That's quite the leap!

Those who care are getting somewhere

The sad part is it could be lost soon and then it really will be tough

Thank you, I appreciate your apology.

Agreed.

In fact, having read many posts from GC women they are increasingly sounding like Tory apologists who have simultaneously been sucked into a conspiracy theory website. I imagine them wearing blue rosettes and tin foil hats whilst chanting "my hill to die on!"

Meanwhile, in the real world the whole country is on it's arse whilst the rich get richer.

@BIossomtoes

"Is it because the government spends it all on sending nobody except Home Secretaries to Rwanda and giving it to the likes of Lady Mone? Oh and the PM’s addiction to helicopters can’t be cheap."

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This post is a good example of the problem with democracy in that voters just look at the small scandalous stuff and can't see the bigger issues.

The reality is that the Government has "only" wasted £290 million on the Rwanda scheme and Baroness Mone "only" ripped off the taxpayers by £200 million.

Meanwhile the government is paying £120 billion (or £120,000 million) on just interest (not repayment) on the national debt.

We must have read two different links.

The 7 declarations were about lost rights now, rights lost under a Tory Govt.

They are calling for Labour to reinstate these rights, thats not quite how you re framing it....

2 of the 7 refer to gender sex based rights ie safe spaces/sport (hope i ve worded that correctly)

However on Karen Ingala Smith, i read the tweets that apparently got her app refused, i don't agree, she should have been accepted, at first glance, doesn't seem too controversial.

Do you know if she re applied?

Yes those pesky women speaking up. What website anyway?

JKR, Maya Forstator, Sharron Davies, Baroness Falkner

Conspiracy theorists who need to go away

Glad you’re there though

I agree. It is shameful that women are being asked to turn a blind eye to this because the Tory party is worse.

Change doesn't happen when backs are turned and eyes are closed.

The Labour Party needs to work to earn back the trust of women who they want to vote for them. Or perhaps, and they have already indicated this to a degree, they don't really want our votes?

Women's rights to single sex spaces and sports are too important to be ignored. We owe it to the women of this country to make sure that the Left does the right thing by women.

Shutting up 'for the greater good' is unpalatable to me.

That post is a good example of the poster’s tongue being firmly in her cheek. 🤷‍♀️

It’s possible that a fair proportion of the electorate notice and take into consideration both.

@BIossomtoes

"That post is a good example of the poster’s tongue being firmly in her cheek. 🤷‍♀️"

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OK fair point- you got me on that one 😗