Genuine question - can trans women experience cramps during their ‘time of the month’?

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This is a genuine question as I am baffled.

I looking on Tik Tok last night (don’t judge me, I’m addicted lol)and I notice on my For You section there is often a trans women doing live Q&A’s. I stopped and watched for a while, out of curiosity tbh as DH has a couple of transgender people in his family and I do try to remain as ‘on the fence’ as possible with this subject.

However, this person on TT said something which does not make much sense to me.

They were saying they take HRT and this gives them ‘a time of the month’ when they experience a very emotional dip and have crying spells and feel low etc. I suppose that may make some sense due to the hormones they take but then they went on to say they also experience cramping during this time and started rubbing their lower tummy in the area where a woman’s uterus is located.
It was difficult to establish why this happens because anyone actually questioning this gets blocked and only those agreeing with them get to stay to ask questions! I appreciate they probably receive some very negative replies but blocking doesn’t answer the questions to people who really would like to know.

I genuinely can not understand where the cramps would originate in a person without female anatomy?

As someone who has been under the gynae department for 20+ years, has had to live their live around horrendous periods, has had endless hysteroscopies and uterine polyp removals, ovulation so painful I couldn’t sit properly, a failed uterine ablation, going through an awful perimenopause and now, at 50 only just discovering this is probably all due to the fact I actually have endometriosis and adenomyosis and have been gas lit for all this time having being told that some women just have awful periods etc, I more than understand where my cramps and pain come from. From my shit malfunctioning uterus and hormones which have never been my friend.

But where would a trans woman’s ‘time of the month’ cramps come from? What part of their body cramps due to the addition of female hormones? I’ve tried googling this but there’s very little. Can the hormones cramp the muscles or bowel in this area or something similar?

I think it is possible for some people to be trans

Of course it's possible for some people to be trans, since being trans just means thinking you're the opposite sex or choosing to appear as if you are. Do you have a different definition?

I asked the question if it was different in the US - I didn’t state it was fact. Not sure why this deserves such a pile on…

My understanding is that it is consistent doses (of oestrogen) prescribed and that the NHS does not in fact prescribe progesterone for MtF trans people at all (though other places may) on the basis - amongst health considerations and lack of information about clinical risks - that it's basically secreted in order to prepare for pregnancy rather than produced for growth of female features (feminisation).

I expect that trying to manage prescribing male trans people vast doses of opposite sex hormones in varying levels over the course of a month and maintaining a professionally defensible monitoring and care would be really quite problematic given the additional risks involved in introducing these into bodies that were not designed to function with serious testosterone suppression and vast doses of oestrogen (let alone progesterone), but I stand to be corrected!

That makes sense - thank you!

Why would it be different -in USA - based on what other than belief - that's my question?

Medical treatment and practise do vary - these differences are usually searchable and despite you telling me to go off and google I'm not seeing all this evidence you implied is out there.

Asking question to further my own understanding is now a pile on?

It's perfectly possible my understanding is wrong - hence asking for more information. I'm now thinking it's just more gas lighting and faux naivety bull shit - which is even more infuriating that I spent time trying to educate myself on topic further.

Apologies I didn't type out the whole paragraph as first envisaged so that sentence is ridiculous by itself I agree! I think I was going to say something along the lines of how I'm uncomfortable about the sheer number of young people identifying as trans so early in life when they are naturally going through enormous identity questions. I find it hard to believe so many really are trans and it can be dangerous to be enabling young people to go through hugely radical changes by virtue of how prevalent it all is in the media. On the other hand though, it's important that young people who are actually trans find the support they need and thank god there is support now out there. I think it's really hard to know what's really going on - it feels like an epidemic, but is it just the media? I just find the whole thing really difficult to reconcile - I don't want to be a bigot, but I have a scepticism about what's going on.

Oh and of course men do not have period pains - whatever they might think.

And the fact they think they do demonstrates the absolute delusion these trans identifying males operate under.

I love Tik Tok and originally joined up for the fun, light-hearted posts.
I really don’t want to give up something I enjoy because of a few delusional men on there. I’ll just learn to scroll by them in future, but my OP was a genuine question. Watching that live chat yesterday really did have me questioning myself even though, deep down I knew the answer.

I can't understand why they'd want them. The monthly angst, the swollen boobs that hurt so bloody much, the bloating, then peri-menopause and the anxiety, the weight gain, the excess hair on your chin!

God I'd give anything not to have them. The money I'd save.

But why would a transwoman be using a cyclical dose of hormones? Wouldnt that mess - up the effect they are trying to achieve in their body if they stop taking progesterone every 2 weeks to mimic a natural cycle?

You're very welcome. Lack of facts and real biology is what got us into this situation where people can make vague claims about what does and does not happen and what is and what is not real in the first place, so I am very happy to describe the actual female experience and biological reality of being a woman.

I really can't see why what you I described lead you to imagine that a tw on an adapted does of hormones would experience anything resemblibg a monthly homronal cycle though? Why would they? As we've established, there is absolutely no need for anyone other than reproductive age females and menopausal women who still have a womb to experience anything even vaguely cyclical or varying in their hormonal balance. There is no reason or benefit for a trans identifyiing person to take anything other than a constant daily dose of whatever hormones they are on. In fact that is more likely to bring the benefits they seek in terms of feminization/masculinisation than intermittent periods of lower doses.

And we have also established that, at least in the UK under NICE guidelines, the horonal regime prescribed to trans identifying people and women no longer having periods, or without a womb, is a constant daily dosage, nothing varying, nothing fluctuating and nothing cycling.

So we are left with the possibility that, either as standard in the US (which I doubt), or via unregulated self administration from Gender GP/the dark web, men are taking doses of female hormones in a varying dosage over a month to try and emulate a woman's natural hormonal cycle, pointlessly as they dont have the internal organs and neural feedback mechanisms that these act on. And that the only reason they might be doing that is to satisfy a period fetish, although at best they might get some vague symptoms similar to PMS, but not PMS, as they can't actually menstruate.

It's a fetish.

Of course men don't experience period cramps.

This is what people mean when they talk about it being a fetish and appropriation of the womanhood.

🤣world gone mad. No womb, no periods ,no period cramps. Basic Biology. Or I missed this in my lessons 35+ years ago

I firmly believe that people who believe they are trans do so because they genuinely feel more at home behaving and looking the way that society deems "masculine" or "feminine". Gender is a load of old bollocks because it's a social construct- it's made up. No-one's sex should be associated with defined behaviour or appearance- a masculine or feminine stereotype. You don't wear skirts and act submissive because you're a girl biologically; you've been socially conditioned to look and act that way and you have always felt comfortable doing so. Men don't act dominant, repress their feelings and wear their hair short because of their biology; they've been socially conditioned to look and act that way and feel comfortable doing that. They've been told, from a baby that that's what it means to be the sex they are. But it isn't real. "gender" is something that changes and can be completely different in one culture to another.

The real problem is conflating sex with "gender"- being brought up from a baby with a defined "gender" - being told they have to look/dress/behave a certain way because of their biology. If any child decides that they don't like that "gender" - "actually I have a willy, but like playing dolls with the girls, wearing dresses and having my hair long" all hell breaks loose. They are punished, told they are wrong, teased and rejected. And there is the problem- adults' anger, inflexibility and extreme reaction and non-acceptance. I'm pretty sure the "trans" identity has been created as a backlash in order for the vulnerable majority to try and find a way to be accepted for who they want to be.

A small minority of male sex fetishists and perverts have latched on to this as a way of being able to abuse.

I liked climbing trees, doing bike stunts and playing football with the boys as a child. I hated dresses and long hair. I liked wearing dungarees. Never acted "ladylike". Was always covered in mud and wanted to be Spiderman or a car mechanic when I grew up. I wanted a Fisher Price car garage or a Skalextric for Christmas. Never got one. Was not allowed. Because I was a girl. I got bought Barbies and Tiny Tears and dresses. I was called a "tomboy". These days I might have been diagnosed as transmale. The problem with that is that I'm a straight, cis woman; albeit one who hates pink and like a pint of Guinness.

Because of the aforementioned minority of abusers mentioned earlier; instead of looking at our own cruel behaviour towards people who don't want to look and act a pre-defined way; we are getting reactive and angry; reinforcing those strict gender stereotypes with our kids constantly and blaming those who feel that way for it. We want biological sex to be defined and encoded in law. We want to restrict people's rights because of it. This not only affects "trans" people, but also those 1.7% of the population who are biologically intersex.

Men are the main perpetrators of violence - whether that is towards men or women. That's not biology that's caused that- that's gender stereotypes. Sports are gendered- even chess and shooting. That's gender stereotypes. Patriarchy and misogyny is the product of strict gendered society and upbringing.

There are some things that need to be based on biology- illness, medical treatment and research, safety features based on physiological attributes, and to a certain extent- sports that rely on physical strength and endurance (although there should be some way of putting those sports into "classes" based on physical attributes in order to not exclude those who are biologically intersex, or people like Castor Semenya who is biologically cis female with abnormal testosterone).

Refuges should be sex-based. Prisons should be sex-based. Bathrooms, baby and child rooms and changing rooms should be gender-neutral single, lockable cubicles. Schools should be teaching that children are children and not teaching "gender" or social stereotypes.

Otherwise, I believe the trans ideology will become the only "safe" or "accepted" way that people can be who they feel they are and it will only become bigger, more extreme and more vocal; leading to more stupid things like what OP saw on TikTok being posted. Yes, female hormones do have side effects on men- including on their moods, breasts and on their bowels which can come and go. No, it cannot make you experience periods.

@Whyyoulyingfor the point is you don’t care cos it doesn’t impact you YET. The slow slide in to accepting this bullshit in the name of being “kind” results in bio men dominating our sports, my DD having no right of refusal to share a bathroom with a grown men, male abusers being in woman’s refuges etc etc etc. It, by proxy, impacts every woman and is essentially rewinding our hard won rights. I refuse to accept or go along with this bullshit narrative of men being genuine females just because they say so. Its clearly not medically possible yet we can’t say so and are trans phobic if we say so!!!

@Sladurche ", or people like Castor Semenya who is biologically cis female with abnormal testosterone)."

Castor Semenya is biologically male, Semenya has 5-alpha reductase deficiency

medlineplus.gov/genetics/condition/5-alpha-reductase-deficiency/#:~:text=Description&text=5%2Dalpha%20reductase%20deficiency%20is,have%20male%20gonads%20(testes)%20.

or people like Castor Semenya who is biologically cis female with abnormal testosterone)

Nope. CS is male.

Sorry CyberCritical I missed your post!

Caster Semenya has XY chromosomes and undescended testes.

Also there's a piece in the Telegraph about how some of the women's records in Parkrun are held by people who were born male, they don't think those times will be beaten by a person born female.

If any child decides that they don't like that "gender" - "actually I have a willy, but like playing dolls with the girls, wearing dresses and having my hair long" all hell breaks loose. They are punished, told they are wrong, teased and rejected

I actually think Sladurche that we had made huge progress and moved away from this as a society but stupid gender ideology has taken us straight back to the 1950s.
Now it's not 'you are a boy therefore you must like blue and play with trucks', it's 'you play with trucks and like blue therefore you must be a boy'. It's two sides of the same stupid coin and there are some parents clamouring to have a special child and actually transing their toddlers. It's really harmful and worrying.

Also I reject the terms 'intersex' and 'cis' which you use. Both pretty offensive.