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Am I not entitled to spend my own money?

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darvod · 20/12/2023 22:59

Apologies if this runs long. DH and I have been together since uni. Been married nearly 20 years and have 2 children together.

I’ve always struggled achieving my goals, I’m a chronic underachiever, been terrible at managing my money, and a general failure at life admin. Turns out I’d been struggling and living my life entire life with undiagnosed ADHD, and only found out two years ago. This is relevant because I struggle with concentration during the working day at my desk jobs, as well as setting and achieving goals so I have never progressed in my career or salary. As a result have struggled to find the right job for me where I can excel, and earn a higher salary.

My husband and I often bicker and argue. It’s usually because he’s annoyed with me about something, but no matter what the argument is about it almost always reverts back to money and how little I make and contribute to the bills.

My husband will compare my salary to his friends wives who are younger than me, but earn much more. He’ll mention jobs such as restaurant or leisure centre workers that he’s seen advertised and say they make as much or more than me. He’ll point out how his friends wives make more than me and don’t have any university education (unlike myself). He gets so annoyed with me for ‘putting in too much effort (hours) into my work’, always being on calls, or having to go into the office a couple days a week or on the odd overnight business trip.

During a recent argument that once again reverted back to my financial contributions I said that I contribute as much as I can, but that he makes much more than me. He tried to gaslight me by saying that’s “not necessarily true”, and that everything falls on his shoulders. I explained that what I contribute is in proportion to my salary, but again he wasn’t satisfied with this answer and is angry that I’m not contributing more and believes that bills should not be split like that. He’s very annoyed that I keep £300 from my paycheque to spend on myself - I budget this to cover a meal out with friends, for personal items like tampons, monthly prescription, makeup items that need to be replenished, coffees or snacks while out, clothing, small things for the children if needed, gifts some months, etc. He also gets annoyed that I cannot afford lavish gifts like his friends receive from their wives who earn more.

For reference I work 4 days a week and bring home about £1800 every month. Husband owns his own business, and while I know his monthly earnings can fluctuate, I know our household bills add up to roughly £7000 each month. He covers the majority of the bills (because obviously I cannot on my salary) so I’ve used the £7000 figure as his ‘monthly salary’. Using both our incomes and a formula I found online, I’ve calculated that I should be paying 20% of the bills and husband should be paying the remaining 80% which is pretty close to what the split currently is.

From my salary £600 goes to him to put towards bills, another £600 to loan repayments (taken out by him in my name to cover joint expenses like home improvements, etc). £100 credit card payment, £180 to a savings account he set up for me this year, and £15 for life insurance. (I know the last two technically aren’t household bills).

Included in the £8000 household bills are the mortgage, gas, electric, broadband, council tax, mobile & car payments, food shops, insurance, children’s activities, school fees (his choice to put them both in private).

Not included is his monthly gym membership, monthly fee for a sport he does, extra money he spends on his hobby (it can vary from £50-£400 a month), additional things like health supplements, and additional items (like random gadgets) he just fancies buying that he passes off as ‘for the home’ but are not needed.

Is keeping £300 for myself to cover my own expenses excessive? I’m so annoyed (justified, I don’t know?) about this all and the fact he makes me feel like shit and a failure in my career and life. He makes me feel like such a burden, and says that I ‘expect everything’ and that I take things for granted. I’m at the point now I don’t want to accept anything from him because I feel like it will be held against me at some point. I barely even eat at home. Just one small meal or a few little snacks in the evening, so I can say that I’m not costing him a fortune to feed.

OP posts:
IWishThatICouldBeWorryFree · 20/12/2023 23:10

£7000 seems a huge amount for monthly bills.
Could he actually be really worried about money?
£300 seems a lot (to me) for personal spending but, if he’s spending equally, and you can afford it, then it shouldn’t be an issue. Is his business actually doing okay at the moment?

SparklyOwls · 20/12/2023 23:11

£7k a month on bills?????

Christmassss · 20/12/2023 23:12

I think £300 for yourself out of £8800 per month joint salary is really low.

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LorlieS · 20/12/2023 23:16

£8000 a month household bills?!! How?!!
My hubby and I earn around £3000 between us a month both working ft and out of that we pay everything (including extortionate private rent!) We receive no help so it literally is just that plus CB for two kids.

darvod · 20/12/2023 23:17

SparklyOwls · 20/12/2023 23:11

£7k a month on bills?????

Yes. Mortgage makes up £2000 of that and children's school fees account for £3000.

Husband is angry that I just expect for everything to be paid for. But yes, when he has made the decisions to put the children in private education (he says he'd never take them out), made the decisions about cars, and all other monthly bills then I would also trust and expect that he will pay them.

OP posts:
darvod · 20/12/2023 23:18

LorlieS · 20/12/2023 23:16

£8000 a month household bills?!! How?!!
My hubby and I earn around £3000 between us a month both working ft and out of that we pay everything (including extortionate private rent!) We receive no help so it literally is just that plus CB for two kids.

That should have read £7000 but I can't edit my post for some reason

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RichardMarxisinnocent · 20/12/2023 23:18

I thought 7k a month was massive until I read that it includes school fees whish I wouldn't count as a household bill, but explains why it's so high. I also think £300 seems pretty low, and the way your husband talks to you about what your earn is appalling.

darvod · 20/12/2023 23:19

RichardMarxisinnocent · 20/12/2023 23:18

I thought 7k a month was massive until I read that it includes school fees whish I wouldn't count as a household bill, but explains why it's so high. I also think £300 seems pretty low, and the way your husband talks to you about what your earn is appalling.

Ah. Perhaps I should have said family expenses?

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idontlikealdi · 20/12/2023 23:21

So you can't (as a couple) afford private school is the crux of it?

ScottishKiwiAndAussie · 20/12/2023 23:23

I can't get past the bit where you said you have to put money aside to pay for your own tampons. How are they not just included in the grocery shop? Do you have to pay for your own toilet paper too?

LittleOwl153 · 20/12/2023 23:25

I barely even eat at home. Just one small meal or a few little snacks in the evening, so I can say that I’m not costing him a fortune to feed.

This alone tells me his abusive. If you are too scared of him to even eat properly then nothing else really matters.

And £300 is nothing based on what he earns.

LorlieS · 20/12/2023 23:25

I was married to a wealthy man who sounds a bit like your husband. Divorcing him was the best thing I ever did because he honestly thought his big salary was enough to keep me and to ignore the fact he was actually an idiot.
I'm now married to a man who earns "only" around £1600 per month doing a remarkable job in social care. Financially things are tough but it's most definitely about teamwork. He's an exceptional father and caring husband.
Sometimes money can cause huge issues.

FictionalCharacter · 20/12/2023 23:27

You have a lot of money coming in between you yet he begrudges you 300 a month for yourself, while he spends up to 400 a month just on his hobby?!

The way he puts you down for not earning more is unpleasant. Moaning that other men's wives give them more expensive presents is utterly pathetic.

What does he want you to do exactly, get a different job? It's very sad that he can't accept you as you are.

When you say he set up a savings account for you, do you mean you pay into it and he can access it? I'd be concerned about that. If you split, he could take that money. And someone as money-obsessed as him would do that. If I were you I'd close that account and put the money in an account in your name.

Littlemisssunseeker · 20/12/2023 23:31

Hi op your post really resonated with me as in a similar situation. My and my husband' earnings and outgoings are similar to your situation.

I am also made to feel like a burden, like I have no control over family finances, and that I need to be frugal while my husband essentially spends as he chooses with no accountability to me. Yet I'm constantly made to feel guilty about not earning more and my lack of contribution to the household. I strongly suspect I have undiagnosed adhd and historically have been appalling with finances which I think adds to my permanent sense of guilt, maybe this is happening for you too?

Anyway just wanted to say I get it, and I feel for you. I know others will say its a huge household income, ridiculous level of outgoings etc, but they are what they are, and when there is such a financial imbalance in a relationship I think that leads to real power imbalance and its a tricky dynamic to deal with (at least that's what's happened with us). Anyway I think your spend is perfectly reasonable and you should absolutely not feel guilty for it. How much does your husband spend on himself every month?

LinneM · 20/12/2023 23:33

I don’t think his issue is that you spend £300 a month on yourself. I think his issue is really the fact that you don’t earn way more than you do.

He covers the majority of the bills (because obviously I cannot on my salary) so I’ve used the £7000 figure as his ‘monthly salary’.

To me, that sounds like it bothers him that you don’t earn more so that he can contribute less towards the household. Instead of him to say, ‘hey, I know it’s been 20 years but I don’t think we’re compatible financially.’ He’s saying, ‘wow, look at X earning X amount despite the fact that they didn’t go to uni like you did.’ His communication is all wrong and he’s actually being an arse here. If he wants to be with someone that earns more money then why doesn’t he just go and find that person instead of trying to drag you down?

Personally though, if I ever had the privilege of earning 7K a month, I would want to be with someone who’s also close to that level. Otherwise, I do think it’s easy to grow resentful of that person

RendeersDancingTowardsChristmas · 20/12/2023 23:44

Tell him to stop comparing you to other people. You don't know what is going on behind closed doors. It's all BS.
Someone who does that has no respect for their partner.

Also, who does the majority of childcare, school runs and looking after DC during holidays? Who does the cooking, cleaning and washing? I bet it's not him. So start writing him invoices for these services. Even if it's just for his 1/2, it would bump up your salary to his expected level.

I am a massive underachiever for various reasons, and I earn just above min wage. But my DH doesn't begrudge me my expensive hobby, he appreciates my non financial contributions to our household and he wouldn't dream of comparing me to others. That's how it should be... what you describe is wrong on many levels.

ActDottie · 20/12/2023 23:51

SparklyOwls · 20/12/2023 23:11

£7k a month on bills?????

My first thought too!!!!!

unsync · 20/12/2023 23:57

You are being financially and emotionally abused by this man. Please find support from your local Women's Aid. You may have to wait as this time of year is very busy for them though. Do you have anyone you can talk to?

whynotwhatknot · 20/12/2023 23:57

he soundds abvusive

and if it was his idea alone for private education thats on him

TheSandgroper · 21/12/2023 00:55

He took out loans in your name.

Bad husband. Not a good husband.

If you do nothing else this holiday season, turn your mind to how you can live without him. Don’t think ‘I can’t”. Think “what do I need”.

Try and quietly search household paperwork to find out how much he does earn. DO NOT tell him you are doing this. Gather facts. Just the facts. And then you can make better decisions.

If you have to, find a friend whose clarity of mind you trust and use them to help keep you on track.

Any number of women on here will tell you of the happiness that comes from not being made unhappy, scared and disregarded. Please imagine that happiness.

DifficultBloodyWoman · 21/12/2023 01:43

What stands out to me is that you don’t really know where the money is going.

You NEED to know this. There are two reasons for this.

  1. Your wonderful and loving husband may drop dead of a heart attack and you will have no idea where the accounts are or how to access them. You will have no idea how to budget and will be financially fucked.
2 . Your wonderful and loving husband isn’t wonderful and loving and isn’t being entirely honest about your financial situation. He may have got into debt, have taken out loans in your name, be hiding a gambling problem or committing financial abuse in some other way.

You NEED to know this.

ADHD may make you vulnerable but it doesn’t mean that you are incapable of getting to grips with this. You can ask for help and support to get this sorted out.

You NEED to know this.

Coyoacan · 21/12/2023 01:59

TheSandgroper · 21/12/2023 00:55

He took out loans in your name.

Bad husband. Not a good husband.

If you do nothing else this holiday season, turn your mind to how you can live without him. Don’t think ‘I can’t”. Think “what do I need”.

Try and quietly search household paperwork to find out how much he does earn. DO NOT tell him you are doing this. Gather facts. Just the facts. And then you can make better decisions.

If you have to, find a friend whose clarity of mind you trust and use them to help keep you on track.

Any number of women on here will tell you of the happiness that comes from not being made unhappy, scared and disregarded. Please imagine that happiness.

This. Living with him sounds like torture. One of those people who know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

Coyoacan · 21/12/2023 02:01

As for person who said that if she earned that she'd want to be with someone earned about the same, how very sad. I always thought that money gave people freedom, not changing one set of rules for another

Honeychickpea · 21/12/2023 02:07

OP which of you pushed the private school issue?

Ponderingwindow · 21/12/2023 02:35

He took out loans in your name.
personal money is not supposed to go towards things like tampons or things for the children.

Depending on social and job expectations there is an argument to be made that some degree of purchases on makeup shouldn’t come out of your personal money either. Ask yourself, would this dear old husband of yours be ok with you coming to an event with his friends sans makeup?

I also have to wonder, are your earnings constrained by your work schedule? Do you have to be available for the school run? Do child care needs prevent you from working 5 days a week?