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Tantai · 21/11/2023 15:17

Those poor boys.

I think watching Mr.Ballen videos should be essential viewing for teenagers who enjoy hiking/outdoormanship. Very quick way to start respecting the power, danger and unpredictability of nature.

It’s so easy to feel ‘safe’ in the UK and forget that the elements can kill you just as well here as anywhere else.

nonumbersinthisname · 21/11/2023 15:18

What is very interesting is how people react to the news and every little piece of information. A lot of people have latched onto the statement by Gareth Pritchard that says the hardest job will be finding the boys, and assuming that meant they were not with the car. However, it's not clear the context of which Mr Pritchard made that statement - he could easily have been asked the question before the car was found, or a hypothetical question based on "what ifs" from the journalist. When there is very little information, speculation runs riot. What's that quote about lies making it halfway round the world before truth gets it's trousers on?

Like other posters, I have noted the arrivals of forensics but not the arrival of search and rescue teams and dogs. I hope I am very wrong and the boys have already been found safe and holed up somewhere nearby and will be reunited with their parents soon.

Chersfrozenface · 21/11/2023 15:18

VivaDixie · 21/11/2023 15:07

I agree - this update isn't helpful - for one it is third hand info.

I also realise that my earlier update (where I had quoted the ex police officer) was unwise - i hadnt realised he was Ex Police and not involved in the case

But he is a trustee of the Ogwen Valley mountain rescue team charity. That's the team that was out searching car parks yesterday.

I have to say that the interview sounded to me like a general overview of the difficulties of searching in such an area rather than an update on current work. That may be just my impression, though.

penjil · 21/11/2023 15:18

blueshoes · 21/11/2023 15:15

I see that as a sign the boys have not yet been found. If it was an accident and the boys were in the car, those ambulances would have sped off by now.

My heart goes out to their families. Hoping they will be found soon.

The ambulances wouldn't have sped off if they have passed away.

ShirleyPhallus · 21/11/2023 15:21

BettyBakesCakes · 21/11/2023 15:14

Just seen on Twitter police are reading a statement at 16.30 and will not be taking questions. Doesn't look good.

Oh god

slowsundays · 21/11/2023 15:21

nonumbersinthisname · 21/11/2023 15:18

What is very interesting is how people react to the news and every little piece of information. A lot of people have latched onto the statement by Gareth Pritchard that says the hardest job will be finding the boys, and assuming that meant they were not with the car. However, it's not clear the context of which Mr Pritchard made that statement - he could easily have been asked the question before the car was found, or a hypothetical question based on "what ifs" from the journalist. When there is very little information, speculation runs riot. What's that quote about lies making it halfway round the world before truth gets it's trousers on?

Like other posters, I have noted the arrivals of forensics but not the arrival of search and rescue teams and dogs. I hope I am very wrong and the boys have already been found safe and holed up somewhere nearby and will be reunited with their parents soon.

Exactly this.

Forensics have arrived along with a collision forensics van, two ambulances and two air ambulances. As much as we want to cling onto hope for these boys and their families, it does not sound like a case of missing boys now.

Outnumberedmummy2022 · 21/11/2023 15:24

Gosh it’s absolutely heartbreaking. I’m dreading this 16:30 update. Fingers crossed for the best outcome xx

ThickSkinnedSoWhat · 21/11/2023 15:24

SuperDuperCabriolet · 21/11/2023 10:10

Same but seems it's actually their car.

One of the boys girlfriends mum is posting on the NWP FB post.

All their phones batteries are dead.

One of them looks so much like my own son. I'm just so worried for them all.

My husband goes camping there and often has zero phone reception for overnight and I always worry.

I think it's a bit inappropriate of one of their girlfriend's parents even speaking to the media.

However, I do hope that it turns out there is a reasonable explanation wherever they are and that contact is made soon.

notimagain · 21/11/2023 15:25

@Chersfrozenface

"But he is a trustee of the Ogwen Valley mountain rescue team charity. That's the team that was out searching car parks yesterday."

He may well be, and I'm sure he means well but by unfortunate coincidence the news earlier this AM was carrying an update on a review the Nicola Bulley case and talks about the police in that instance losing control of the narrative.

Hope that doesn't start happening here (and much more importantly hope the teens are found OK).

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/nov/21/diver-nicola-bulley-search-caused-false-alarm-to-family-police

TravellingT · 21/11/2023 15:26

I imagine no further news will be released until the 16:30 statement. Hoping and praying it is positive, or at least no news.

Chersfrozenface · 21/11/2023 15:32

notimagain · 21/11/2023 15:25

@Chersfrozenface

"But he is a trustee of the Ogwen Valley mountain rescue team charity. That's the team that was out searching car parks yesterday."

He may well be, and I'm sure he means well but by unfortunate coincidence the news earlier this AM was carrying an update on a review the Nicola Bulley case and talks about the police in that instance losing control of the narrative.

Hope that doesn't start happening here (and much more importantly hope the teens are found OK).

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/nov/21/diver-nicola-bulley-search-caused-false-alarm-to-family-police

Perhaps that's why the interview was more a general overview of the difficulties of searching in that area, rather than discussing this particular situation

BettyBakesCakes · 21/11/2023 15:36

Thee doesn't seem to be any confirmation of the 16.30 statement. It was said by a journalist for talk tv.

SabrinaThwaite · 21/11/2023 15:37

BettyBakesCakes · 21/11/2023 15:36

Thee doesn't seem to be any confirmation of the 16.30 statement. It was said by a journalist for talk tv.

Just confirmed on Sky News website.

BettyBakesCakes · 21/11/2023 15:38

Oh it's just been confirmed by the bbc

DugInLikeAnAlabamaTick · 21/11/2023 15:42

I am afraid that I do not think this will be good news

MossGrowsFat · 21/11/2023 15:43

4.30 would give time for all school friends to be home 😔

placemats · 21/11/2023 15:43

If a local resident reported the car to the police then I can't see how it would have the teenagers in it. Hopefully this is now a full on search and rescue operation. However, with the sunset due for 4.15pm in that part of Wales, it'll be another day before they are found. Hoping for the best outcome.

DysonSphere · 21/11/2023 15:44

I hope they are found safe and well. Poor mites. Poor parents.

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NettleTea · 21/11/2023 15:47

I thought that the car was reported 'after an incident'. I thought it unusual that they didnt say or suggest that the car was parked up, so they were loooking locally.
If what I fear has happened is true, this is absolutely heartbreaking. My son is the same age. He could easily be persuaded to set off on an adventure like this. They may or may not be seasoned campers, but they were definately not seasoned drivers.

Lottie4 · 21/11/2023 15:47

Sky say the statement "will address the search", really hoping that means there's still a search going on and there's hope.

GinAndJuice99 · 21/11/2023 15:47

placemats · 21/11/2023 15:43

If a local resident reported the car to the police then I can't see how it would have the teenagers in it. Hopefully this is now a full on search and rescue operation. However, with the sunset due for 4.15pm in that part of Wales, it'll be another day before they are found. Hoping for the best outcome.

It's hard to understand how it was so far off the road that it wasn't spotted for two days but unfortunately I think that's what must have happened

Words · 21/11/2023 15:48

Yes @MossGrowsFat . This isn't going to be good news.

TenderDandelions · 21/11/2023 15:48

placemats · 21/11/2023 15:43

If a local resident reported the car to the police then I can't see how it would have the teenagers in it. Hopefully this is now a full on search and rescue operation. However, with the sunset due for 4.15pm in that part of Wales, it'll be another day before they are found. Hoping for the best outcome.

Unfortunately it could be, if the vehicle was spotted off the road and down a ravine/embankment. It might not have been reachable.

I don't think it sounds good unfortunately.

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