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TravellingT · 21/11/2023 13:13

The Met Office has issued two mountain weather hazard warnings for Snowdonia, also known as Eryri, today.
The first is for a "severe chill effect", meaning winds can feel colder than the actual temperature.
"This effect will be enhanced in rain or wet snow. Without protection, prolonged exposure could result in frost nip or frostbite on exposed parts of the body and/or hypothermia," the Met Office said.

This is key, no matter how experienced or sheltered you are, they're clearly making a point that it's too cold to camp there.

Doteycat · 21/11/2023 13:13

All 4 fones dead is bizarre is it not?

RedToothBrush · 21/11/2023 13:14

The car has been confirmed as being found near Garreg.

MermaidEyes · 21/11/2023 13:14

I'm afraid I would bet a fair bit of money, given the circumstances, that the boys have been found and they are not safe and well. We would only find out at a suitable point after the families are informed and the emergency services have done their jobs. I may be wrong and it would be wonderful if I am. But realistically, I think it is highly likely that there was a bad car crash
Unfortunately I think this too, reading between the lines of the news updates. It seems as soon as the car was located a cordon was set up and several emergency vehicles were dispatched to the area.

PugginBaby · 21/11/2023 13:14

Doteycat · 21/11/2023 13:13

All 4 fones dead is bizarre is it not?

Hardly, if all 4 of them have had an accident.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 21/11/2023 13:15

Doteycat · 21/11/2023 13:13

All 4 fones dead is bizarre is it not?

Not after 24/36 hours in an area where the phones are constantly searching for signal. That’s one of the most battery draining things I find

IncorrigibIeRogue · 21/11/2023 13:15

Doteycat · 21/11/2023 13:13

All 4 fones dead is bizarre is it not?

Not really, it's a signal blackspot for some networks.

MrsCarson · 21/11/2023 13:15

Air Ambulance had been called also.
Rd closed to Beddgelert.

MrsFionaCharming · 21/11/2023 13:15

Phone batteries die quicker in the cold. It’s not necessarily sinister that all their phones are dead.

Doteycat · 21/11/2023 13:15

PugginBaby · 21/11/2023 13:14

Hardly, if all 4 of them have had an accident.

No not hardly at all.
Still doesn't explain all 4 phones being out of battery at the same time line.

RedToothBrush · 21/11/2023 13:16

Doteycat · 21/11/2023 13:13

All 4 fones dead is bizarre is it not?

Not if you have a crash scenario and all four are incapacited at once. Or you are underground.

DH is surprised the following actually. A local has been quited as saying this:

"It was atrocious weather on Sunday. I don't know what happened to four young men in the car, hopefully nothing bad."

Just shows how localised weather can be!

Mirabai · 21/11/2023 13:17

RedToothBrush · 21/11/2023 13:08

The other point here is that ALL the phones are dead. Why?

If something had happened to one, then one of the others could go for help. Unless something has happened to all of them. (Which is possible if someone goes for help, gets lost and then gets into trouble themselves - but the weather was relatively good).

What does that suggest?

ALL the phones being dead isn't a good sign after two days.

Agreed.

Either DH is right and they’re all in a cave, up a mountain, or the phones haven’t been charged since they left and run out of battery.

YourWinter · 21/11/2023 13:18

This has already been stated on an earlier post. If the ambulance service was called at 10.08 I doubt they’re still at the scene.
12:52
Ambulance service issues statement
The Welsh Ambulance Service says it was called at about 10:08 GMT this morning to reports of an incident near the A4085 between Nantmor and Tan-Lan in Gwynedd.
“We sent an operations manager, two emergency ambulances and two Cymru High Acuity Response Units to the scene where we were supported by the Emergency Medical Retrieval and Transfer Service in two Wales Air Ambulance charity helicopters," it said.

GuinnessBird · 21/11/2023 13:19

All phones being dead is odd no matter how you try to spin it.

I imagine the odds off four phones dying in a car crash or similar are pretty high.

Mirabai · 21/11/2023 13:19

RedToothBrush · 21/11/2023 13:16

Not if you have a crash scenario and all four are incapacited at once. Or you are underground.

DH is surprised the following actually. A local has been quited as saying this:

"It was atrocious weather on Sunday. I don't know what happened to four young men in the car, hopefully nothing bad."

Just shows how localised weather can be!

I did think of the crash scenario re phones but I doubt all 4 phones would die on impact. Phones can survive terrible accidents.

Mirabai · 21/11/2023 13:20

GuinnessBird · 21/11/2023 13:19

All phones being dead is odd no matter how you try to spin it.

I imagine the odds off four phones dying in a car crash or similar are pretty high.

Exactly.

YetMoreNewBeginnings · 21/11/2023 13:20

but the weather was relatively good

Not according to a local man interviewed by the bbc. He said the weather was atrocious on Sunday

Stephisaur · 21/11/2023 13:20

I don't see why everyone is so suspicious of all 4 phones being dead.

If all 4 lads are together, then they may all be in a signal blackspot.

Also entirely possible that none of them charged their phones. Everyone's assumption that they'll have taken a charger/powerbank etc are ludicrous. They'll be lucky if they've taken clean pants and socks.

grass67 · 21/11/2023 13:21

The phones will have been searching for signal, they only last a few hours doing that. If they have come off the road yesterday or Sunday, and can't be seen. Then it all adds up. I don't think there will be good news sadly.

Doteycat · 21/11/2023 13:21

Unless it was deliberate.
Who the f knows at this stage.
None of it sounds good.
It's horrific.

Doteycat · 21/11/2023 13:22

I'm not suspicious I just found it odd.

coffeeaddict77 · 21/11/2023 13:23

It doesn't seem bizarre to me at all that all phones "are dead". Many places have no mobile signal.

RedToothBrush · 21/11/2023 13:23

Mirabai · 21/11/2023 13:19

I did think of the crash scenario re phones but I doubt all 4 phones would die on impact. Phones can survive terrible accidents.

No I wouldn't expect them to. It's the fact that none of them would be unable to respond and the batteries have all gone flat that suggests something has happened to them all.

A hill walking accident isn't really consistent with this as it's rare for all four to end up injured. You would have expected one of them to turn up by now.

It's the fact that none of them have, that's the issue. It suggests that for some reason they can't

TravellingT · 21/11/2023 13:23

They've been missing since Sunday- 2-3 days looking for signal will definitely drain phones, even if they were fully charged. They could have been missing/in trouble since saturday night- that's a long time for phones, they don't hold charge that well.

OhmygodDont · 21/11/2023 13:24

When we drove home from north wales. All three of my children’s phones died because they are silly children who didn’t charge them properly or killer them with apps and music and shit. I one of two adults was the only person who was prepared with battery packs.

So not too odd for one or two, to of died, maybe they where taking turns streaming music via the stereo. A dead signal spot, add in cold weather kills batteries faster and the just slowly one by one since Sunday they all turned off. Plus we don’t know the ages of these phones. Mine could go two days if I left it alone 2 years old, Dd2’s can go in two hours playing games as it’s really old.

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