Four teens lost in North Wales ⚠️

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12772971/police-hunt-four-young-men-vanished-Ford-Fiesta-North-Wales.html

Their families must be frantic :(

Posting to spread awareness in case any locals reading.

So they don't need strangers online whipping things up into a frenzy.

Well that's great, you didn't lie to your DPs, even telling them where you were once you were an adult, but most kids do and it's not unusual. Why? Because they are pushing against the boundaries their parents have put in place, because they know from telling their DPs stuff in the past what their DPs approve and disapprove of, because sometimes they want to do stuff that they know their DPs wouldn't allow them to do. So instead of saying 'I'm going round to my GF's house for the afternoon to have sex, because her DPs are going Christmas shopping and we'll the place to ourselves', they say 'I'm going round to Max's house', or 'We're taking the train', when the truth is 'We're hitch-hiking, because we want to spend the money we have on booze, not train tickets'. Even 'nice' kids from good homes with caring, attentive parents do this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-wales-67484258

It’s human nature to talk about things like this, it helps people to process what is happening.

The families will be supported by specially trained police officers, they won’t be browsing mumsnet.

Oh sure I didn’t mean to imply that they should be updating the public asap. It was just I’d got the impression from what the people checking on flight radar were saying that the air ambulances were in the air quite recently, not nearly three hours ago.

Either way, hoping for the best.

They won’t be on MN anyway. The discussion here is fairly measured.

The parents are likely to have more information than what has been released to the press.

If the boys were in the car and injured or worse, this won't be made public until their families have been informed, so that they don't find out about it online.

Sounds like they’ve had a bad accident then.

It will be interesting to see if the boys are found in the area your husband predicts..Fingers crossed that they are all OK.

There's no one whipping up a frenzy
Jesus christ. If people can't get upset when 4 teenagers are missing then when can they.
I for one am v upset over it. It brings back horrific memories. I'm not in a frenzy.
Rediculous statement.

There was an air ambulance in the air recently but whether it is related to the incident is unknown.

It says not experienced

Yeah there's usually quite a lot dotted about!

Cos you wouldn't be imagining the worst already if you were one of those parents? They've gone to Snowdonia, none of them are responding to their phones and they've been missing since Sunday.

The search is at this stage precisely because the police have effectively got to the 'catastrophising' stage. They think the boys are at serious risk or worse.

The only thing this thread does is make people on MN aware of this. But it is all over the BBC, Sky, etc news anyway. So yeah... that ship has sailed.

For sure would inform family and prioritise scene first but they are tweeting pretty immediate updates (including car being found) though. I dont know how such operations usually work but I'm guessing the car was found, ambulances then called in case, but boys not found yet? As air ambulances dispatched to scene but haven't departed from it yet according to Flightradar, at least according to what I last read

I moved 200 miles away from my parents to another city for uni when I had just turned 18, some of the girls in my halls were 17 (Scotland) and we sure as shit weren't updating our parents on our whereabouts with any regularity. So I don't think we can blame the parents here.

I think it sounds like they have been found, either with the car or not far from it. A car accident is the most likely situation if that's the case, which means things aren't looking great. Really hoping I'm wrong.

Yep..agreed.

The only significant helicopter traffic that I can see (using playback) was a Welsh Air Ambulance aircraft operating just to the north east of Porthmadog late AM.

Almost everything else looks Shawbury related and so is well to the east.

In any event worth bearing in mind Flightradar coverage probably isn't great at low'ish altitude over large parts of Snowdonia.

It's not odd. (The BBC reported the Ambulance Service had attended 2 hours or so earlier) The police won't issue up to the minute updates just to keep the public informed. Their priority is the boys, their families and the scene.
The car would have been found (and ambulances called in) quite some time before they announced it on Facebook.
This is correct.

I don't mean this rudely but is it a normal time of year to camp in that area? November seems late in the year with the weather but I'm not experienced at all. Are there shelters/huts or proper trails they could be using if they're experienced?

My teenage son used to go camping with his friends as an excuse to drink alcohol. I knew where they were though and he was relatively cautious as a teenager so never got into difficulties.

I was thinking similar. When I was younger some of the teen guys I knew would do similar in order to smoke weed.

The other point here is that ALL the phones are dead. Why?

If something had happened to one, then one of the others could go for help. Unless something has happened to all of them. (Which is possible if someone goes for help, gets lost and then gets into trouble themselves - but the weather was relatively good).

What does that suggest?

ALL the phones being dead isn't a good sign after two days.

So they don't need strangers online whipping things up into a frenzy.

That kind of language is pretty melodramatic itself. We're all strangers online, talking amongst ourselves and the parents have enough on their plates without looking to mumsnet.

I'm afraid I would bet a fair bit of money, given the circumstances, that the boys have been found and they are not safe and well. We would only find out at a suitable point after the families are informed and the emergency services have done their jobs.

I may be wrong and it would be wonderful if I am. But realistically, I think it is highly likely that there was a bad car crash.

I agree. I imagine that something has happened to all of them 😢

I really, really hope I’m wrong though.

DH slept overnight in a car not too far away from that location over the weekend. Weather was good and not that cold. Certainly it wasn't too bad to camp in that area over the weekend even if you aren't that experienced in his opinion. (Which is part of the reason his mind is going into over drive about what has happened). Normally it wouldn't be sensible to do, but it has been unseasonably mild.

For sure would inform family and prioritise scene first but they are tweeting pretty immediate updates (including car being found) though. I dont know how such operations usually work but I'm guessing the car was found, ambulances then called in case, but boys not found yet? As air ambulances dispatched to scene but haven't departed from it yet according to Flightradar, at least according to what I last read

I don't think they'd call in the air ambulance if the boys weren't there, it's a very in-demand service isn't it and there aren't many of them.