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Suella Braverman is a danger to the UK and needs to go.

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TooBigForMyBoots · 09/11/2023 11:04

I thought Suella peaked me with her "lets take tents off homeless people as winter is coming" shite. But her performative cruelty is no longer a surprise.

She has surpassed herself in the last 24 hours and become actively dangerous to police and public with her remarks about protests. She is our Home Secretary. Her job is to keep us safe.

So why the fuck has she done the complete opposite with goady, childish statements about police and protesters?Shock

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67364745

Suella Braverman

Pro-Palestinian protest in London: Row over Suella Braverman’s claim of police bias

The home secretary comes under fire after saying the force often "plays favourites" when policing protests.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67364745

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Piggywaspushed · 09/11/2023 19:49

a certain community?

Do spit it out.

Allthatwegotisthispalebluedot · 09/11/2023 19:51

AlwaysHeadingWest · 09/11/2023 18:42

Oh good! More Suella Braverman hyperbole as posters compete to be the MOST DISGUSTED by her!

"Unhinged" (the "acceptable" alternative to "crazy" and "psycho")! "Vile"! "Evil"! "Disgusting excuse for a human being!"

Keep it coming - I'm sure there's someone out there who's even more outraged than you!

Remember, the more hate Suella Braverman the better a human being you are. But if you don't let people know how much you hate her how will they know what a good, compassionate person you are?

Get a fucking grip. We are allowed to expect better from our Home Secretary. Why are your standards of one of the most powerful office of govt so fucking low?

(and I know I said fuck, but I really want to know. It’s a genuine question!)

Dymaxion · 09/11/2023 19:52

It does feel as though she is on manoeuvres. It is taking the media spotlight away from the Covid inquiry, so maybe Sunak will be happy about that ?

Saffrom · 09/11/2023 19:59

Not sure.

On the one hand, she is very stupid and incompetent (DB has had some professional contact with her). She has little integrity, and seems determined to harass the vulnerable like the homeless and asylum seekers etc. And, she has leadership ambitions and is doing a Boris-Johnson style campaign of nasty writing unauthorised articles to whip up hate with zero thought to the real world consequences. So, she could cause a lot of damage to the party (and while Labour supporters might cheer that, remember that a weak opposition is bad for the country).

On the other hand, the police ARE biased. Did they arrest politicians for partying through lockdown? No but they arrested women exercising in lockdown because they were holding coffee cups. Do the police arrest the violent men who assault gender critical women? No but they’ll arrest a disabled woman for having a sticker about women’s rights, and they’ll haul off a SEN child in the night if her innocent comment offends a lesbian police officer. Men can freely scream for jihad in central London but if you’re a woman attending a vigil for Sarah Everard they’ll throw you to the floor. The state of the police in the UK is a huge and urgent problem.

GwenogJones · 09/11/2023 19:59

I'm not political, but I think she is right about tents on high streets. They create an intimidating atmosphere and create no go areas.

Then the answer is to have adequately funded social care, a functioning welfare state that does its job as a safety net and enough housing instead of a manufactured housing crisis brought about by greed. All the things we used to have, in fact, until the tories took over in 2010 and started systemically running everything into the ground.

Because we didn't used to have cities of tents in the streets because the homeless situation was so bad. That is something that started to creep in post 2015, after the end of the coalition.

(And there is absolutely no reason why criminals and drug addicts should not be in sheltered accommodation, of course there should be places for people who have just left prison and have no where else to go to stay, and safe places for drug addicts where they can access support. The very purpose of sheltered accommodation is to provide accommodation for vulnerable groups. Otherwise it's just accommodation - and we don't have enough affordable stock of that either.)

The answer to the homeless crisis is not to take their fucking tents off them just as winter draws in, it is to fix the problems that caused their homelessness in the first place. It is the job of the government to do that and it just so happens that this government and their immediate predecessors are the ones who caused the problems in the first place.

The tents are not the problem. Unless you are hoping the homeless will freeze to death, taking their tents away won't actually reduce their numbers or stop them sleeping rough in the streets. You will still see them and feel unsafe. They just won't have even a modicum of shelter and be even more desperate.

Anyone who disrupts the Remembrance Weekend observations and parades are showing huge disrespect to our country.

No one is threatening to do that. The protest is on Saturday (which is Armistice Day), Remembrance Sunday is on (wait for it)... Sunday. And if they were on the same day (which they're not) the protest isn't even going anywhere near the cenotaph.

How can people have a problem with British citizens marching for an armistice on fucking armistice day? What's the point of it, if not to ask for peace?

How can people just listen to these soundbites and not think? She is not offering solutions to the problems successive tory government have caused over the past miserable 13 years, she is offering cruelty that fixes nothing while appealing to the very worst impulses which exist in humanity. And some people agree with her because they can't just take five seconds to look beneath the soundbite and identify the actual problem!

Dymaxion · 09/11/2023 19:59

I do think all the vitriol about a march calling for an Armistice on Armistice day is interesting.

Jellykat · 09/11/2023 20:01

Dymaxion · 09/11/2023 19:59

I do think all the vitriol about a march calling for an Armistice on Armistice day is interesting.

Agree!

topnoddy · 09/11/2023 20:07

The woman is a FASCIST bully

notimagain · 09/11/2023 20:08

@GwenogJones

No one is threatening to do that. The protest is on Saturday (which is Armistice Day), Remembrance Sunday is on (wait for it)... Sunday. And if they were on the same day (which they're not)

Just as a point of info there is at least one remembrance related event scheduled for the cenotaph for Saturday 11th so there was in theory at least a potential for confliction.

Fortunately as you say "the protest isn't even going anywhere near the cenotaph."

Popolop · 09/11/2023 20:09

Dymaxion · 09/11/2023 19:59

I do think all the vitriol about a march calling for an Armistice on Armistice day is interesting.

Absolutely it is ironic isn't it LOL.

Call me a conspiracy theorist but I strongly suspect the govt may place some agent provocateurs to cause some mayhem on Saturday, and give them a "reason" to shut down all pro-Palestine marches from here on...

Stopactingsosmall · 09/11/2023 20:09

Kendodd · 09/11/2023 17:22

Agree. She's made it her mission to stir up the far right. I bet she's praying for trouble on Saturday.

Yes I can imagine her sitting back licking her lips in anticipation, she has stirred up the hatred and division and waits to see communities clash or some ugly incident to unfold. She has no self awareness, she is a brown woman and must have experienced discrimination and should know better than to incite hatred in communities. Her husband is jewish and some of her family serving in IDF maybe that's why her position is biased towards palestinian protests. She should be neutral and act with responsibility rather than inflame an already sensitive issue.

SofiYol · 09/11/2023 20:13

Tempnamechng · 09/11/2023 19:27

I'm not political, but I think she is right about tents on high streets. They create an intimidating atmosphere and create no go areas. The argument against her tent on the high street statement on the Jeremy Vine show, by housing officer, was that many of the British tented homeless are not able to live in sheltered accommodation because they are arsonists, violent criminals, drug users, rapists. I know it sounds hysterical, but this is what she said, and this was an actual housing office worker's argument for allowing tented housing.
Anyone who disrupts the Remembrance Weekend observations and parades are showing huge disrespect to our country. I've seen at a local college how students from a certain community conduct themselves during the silence, and it was nothing short of disgusting.

I’m an actual housing officer, or was, and I can tell you now that that is, in the majority, bollocks.

Yes some homeless people have additional and complex support needs and may be addicted to substances, or have mental health needs, or be offenders. All of this makes it even more difficult for them to sustain a tenancy, so what then - where should they go? I’m not speaking about rapists obviously, but they shouldn’t even be allowed a fucking tent because they can’t sustain a tenancy? The support that they need in order to remain housed - you know, basic stuff like access to mental health care or addiction support isn’t there anymore because of cuts by our favourite government. How anyone can begrudge people who literally have fuck all a tent because it is unsightly?

HappyMavis · 09/11/2023 20:15

GwenogJones · 09/11/2023 19:59

I'm not political, but I think she is right about tents on high streets. They create an intimidating atmosphere and create no go areas.

Then the answer is to have adequately funded social care, a functioning welfare state that does its job as a safety net and enough housing instead of a manufactured housing crisis brought about by greed. All the things we used to have, in fact, until the tories took over in 2010 and started systemically running everything into the ground.

Because we didn't used to have cities of tents in the streets because the homeless situation was so bad. That is something that started to creep in post 2015, after the end of the coalition.

(And there is absolutely no reason why criminals and drug addicts should not be in sheltered accommodation, of course there should be places for people who have just left prison and have no where else to go to stay, and safe places for drug addicts where they can access support. The very purpose of sheltered accommodation is to provide accommodation for vulnerable groups. Otherwise it's just accommodation - and we don't have enough affordable stock of that either.)

The answer to the homeless crisis is not to take their fucking tents off them just as winter draws in, it is to fix the problems that caused their homelessness in the first place. It is the job of the government to do that and it just so happens that this government and their immediate predecessors are the ones who caused the problems in the first place.

The tents are not the problem. Unless you are hoping the homeless will freeze to death, taking their tents away won't actually reduce their numbers or stop them sleeping rough in the streets. You will still see them and feel unsafe. They just won't have even a modicum of shelter and be even more desperate.

Anyone who disrupts the Remembrance Weekend observations and parades are showing huge disrespect to our country.

No one is threatening to do that. The protest is on Saturday (which is Armistice Day), Remembrance Sunday is on (wait for it)... Sunday. And if they were on the same day (which they're not) the protest isn't even going anywhere near the cenotaph.

How can people have a problem with British citizens marching for an armistice on fucking armistice day? What's the point of it, if not to ask for peace?

How can people just listen to these soundbites and not think? She is not offering solutions to the problems successive tory government have caused over the past miserable 13 years, she is offering cruelty that fixes nothing while appealing to the very worst impulses which exist in humanity. And some people agree with her because they can't just take five seconds to look beneath the soundbite and identify the actual problem!

Outstanding.

SofiYol · 09/11/2023 20:18

GwenogJones · 09/11/2023 19:59

I'm not political, but I think she is right about tents on high streets. They create an intimidating atmosphere and create no go areas.

Then the answer is to have adequately funded social care, a functioning welfare state that does its job as a safety net and enough housing instead of a manufactured housing crisis brought about by greed. All the things we used to have, in fact, until the tories took over in 2010 and started systemically running everything into the ground.

Because we didn't used to have cities of tents in the streets because the homeless situation was so bad. That is something that started to creep in post 2015, after the end of the coalition.

(And there is absolutely no reason why criminals and drug addicts should not be in sheltered accommodation, of course there should be places for people who have just left prison and have no where else to go to stay, and safe places for drug addicts where they can access support. The very purpose of sheltered accommodation is to provide accommodation for vulnerable groups. Otherwise it's just accommodation - and we don't have enough affordable stock of that either.)

The answer to the homeless crisis is not to take their fucking tents off them just as winter draws in, it is to fix the problems that caused their homelessness in the first place. It is the job of the government to do that and it just so happens that this government and their immediate predecessors are the ones who caused the problems in the first place.

The tents are not the problem. Unless you are hoping the homeless will freeze to death, taking their tents away won't actually reduce their numbers or stop them sleeping rough in the streets. You will still see them and feel unsafe. They just won't have even a modicum of shelter and be even more desperate.

Anyone who disrupts the Remembrance Weekend observations and parades are showing huge disrespect to our country.

No one is threatening to do that. The protest is on Saturday (which is Armistice Day), Remembrance Sunday is on (wait for it)... Sunday. And if they were on the same day (which they're not) the protest isn't even going anywhere near the cenotaph.

How can people have a problem with British citizens marching for an armistice on fucking armistice day? What's the point of it, if not to ask for peace?

How can people just listen to these soundbites and not think? She is not offering solutions to the problems successive tory government have caused over the past miserable 13 years, she is offering cruelty that fixes nothing while appealing to the very worst impulses which exist in humanity. And some people agree with her because they can't just take five seconds to look beneath the soundbite and identify the actual problem!

I think I love you.

👏👏👏

uokayhun · 09/11/2023 20:18

A truly evil woman.

notimagain · 09/11/2023 20:29

Popolop · 09/11/2023 20:09

Absolutely it is ironic isn't it LOL.

Call me a conspiracy theorist but I strongly suspect the govt may place some agent provocateurs to cause some mayhem on Saturday, and give them a "reason" to shut down all pro-Palestine marches from here on...

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Ah yes, demos and the XRW/agent provocateurs/false flag claims.

Much loved by many over the years and a really handy theory to fall back on if the stewarding or some people's self control falls apart.

Stopactingsosmall · 09/11/2023 20:32

Jellykat · 09/11/2023 19:24

Sunak needs to grow a pair and get rid of her fast.. shes extremely dangerous!

Who would have thought the Tori ethnically diverse party would go so low and incite divisions. Some are just brown in appearance only and spout the most hateful opinions and reversing the progress this country has made in being an inclusive society.

Popolop · 09/11/2023 20:32

@notimagain I'm not for one minute suggesting there are not some genuine bad actors out there.

But to pretend the govt don't do this kind of thing is also ridiculous. It is commonplace.

Such an easy and predictable way to shut down dissent.

isadoradancing123 · 09/11/2023 20:36

Many of the general public agree with her

notimagain · 09/11/2023 20:38

Popolop · 09/11/2023 20:32

@notimagain I'm not for one minute suggesting there are not some genuine bad actors out there.

But to pretend the govt don't do this kind of thing is also ridiculous. It is commonplace.

Such an easy and predictable way to shut down dissent.

Whatever..forgive my cynicism but I'm old to have seen the goings on at student marches in the 70's..

mynamechangemyrules · 09/11/2023 20:39

GwenogJones · 09/11/2023 19:59

I'm not political, but I think she is right about tents on high streets. They create an intimidating atmosphere and create no go areas.

Then the answer is to have adequately funded social care, a functioning welfare state that does its job as a safety net and enough housing instead of a manufactured housing crisis brought about by greed. All the things we used to have, in fact, until the tories took over in 2010 and started systemically running everything into the ground.

Because we didn't used to have cities of tents in the streets because the homeless situation was so bad. That is something that started to creep in post 2015, after the end of the coalition.

(And there is absolutely no reason why criminals and drug addicts should not be in sheltered accommodation, of course there should be places for people who have just left prison and have no where else to go to stay, and safe places for drug addicts where they can access support. The very purpose of sheltered accommodation is to provide accommodation for vulnerable groups. Otherwise it's just accommodation - and we don't have enough affordable stock of that either.)

The answer to the homeless crisis is not to take their fucking tents off them just as winter draws in, it is to fix the problems that caused their homelessness in the first place. It is the job of the government to do that and it just so happens that this government and their immediate predecessors are the ones who caused the problems in the first place.

The tents are not the problem. Unless you are hoping the homeless will freeze to death, taking their tents away won't actually reduce their numbers or stop them sleeping rough in the streets. You will still see them and feel unsafe. They just won't have even a modicum of shelter and be even more desperate.

Anyone who disrupts the Remembrance Weekend observations and parades are showing huge disrespect to our country.

No one is threatening to do that. The protest is on Saturday (which is Armistice Day), Remembrance Sunday is on (wait for it)... Sunday. And if they were on the same day (which they're not) the protest isn't even going anywhere near the cenotaph.

How can people have a problem with British citizens marching for an armistice on fucking armistice day? What's the point of it, if not to ask for peace?

How can people just listen to these soundbites and not think? She is not offering solutions to the problems successive tory government have caused over the past miserable 13 years, she is offering cruelty that fixes nothing while appealing to the very worst impulses which exist in humanity. And some people agree with her because they can't just take five seconds to look beneath the soundbite and identify the actual problem!

🙌🏼

Spot on

MidnightOnceMore · 09/11/2023 20:43

TheThingIsYeah · 09/11/2023 11:18

Baroness Warsi said: “We have now, sadly, some of my colleagues in government who project as patriots but they are indeed arsonists. They set this country alight – they pit community against community, they create these fires. And that is not the job of a government.”

The fact we have "communities" in the plural sense in this country is depressing tbh. People shouldn't defined by the "community" they belong to.

It is not depressing to have multiple communities making up one wonderful country.

TheThingIsYeah · 09/11/2023 20:45

@MidnightOnceMore not when they are constantly pitted against each other. Divide and rule.

Dymaxion · 09/11/2023 20:46

The other thing that annoys me about this sort of diversionary politics, is that most people are perfectly capable of having more than one opinion, especially when it comes to complex issues. So I am all for people being allowed to protest, I am also for countries being allowed to protect themselves, I also think Hammas are, by and large, a fundamentalist bunch of murdering bastards, I also think the ordinary people of Gaza deserve to live in peace without being blown to smithereens and get the chance of an election once in a blue moon.

AlwaysHeadingWest · 09/11/2023 20:51

*Get a fucking grip. We are allowed to expect better from our Home Secretary. Why are your standards of one of the most powerful office of govt so fucking low?

(and I know I said fuck, but I really want to know. It’s a genuine question!)*

Why are my standards so low...? I think that's called begging the question.

Where did did I say that I thought Suella Braverman was doing a good job? That's a bit of a leap, just because I don't happen to think she's a fascist or "truly evil" (latest bit of hyperbole). Words have meanings.

Gosh, things really are tribal nowadays, aren't they? I consider Suella Braverman to be a woman who was promoted above her ability and who tends to say some intemperate things. I probably agree with her on some issues, disagree with her on others, such as the tents thing (athough as someone who has volunteered with the homeless the issue is SO much more complex than your average poster here seems to think).

But since I don't think she's the modern day equivalent of Hitler/Franco/Mussolini I'm clearly a supporter of hers?

I think this Tory government is pretty hopeless (Labour would be just as bad) but I won't be joining the two-minute hate.