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Newgirls · 13/11/2023 08:45

Morning Puffin and everyone

thinking of grindavik and it’s homes and school etc. Will kids now start to move into other schools to get some normal routine if this is going to carry on a for a while?

RedToothBrush · 13/11/2023 09:09

Newgirls · 13/11/2023 08:45

Morning Puffin and everyone

thinking of grindavik and it’s homes and school etc. Will kids now start to move into other schools to get some normal routine if this is going to carry on a for a while?

Even if it stops today there will still be ongoing concerns for months. There is significant structural damage. They need to assess if the area is safe and whether there are vents or cavities under the surface in the town. Then there's going to be people who are just too scared to move or have had the uncertainty for too long (there were concerns about at least one road being cut off previously).

That's the best case scenario.

It's awful for those affected.

I believe there's another update due about 9.30.

Newgirls · 13/11/2023 09:31

Are you there too RedTooth? Thanks for the updates

RedToothBrush · 13/11/2023 09:46

No. Just got an unhealthy thing about Iceland that goes back about 20 years!

Dunno why.

Newgirls · 13/11/2023 09:49

It is a fascinating place. We went earlier this year (following many Puffinshop tips) and loved lots of it and also found it very unnerving

BarbaraofSeville · 13/11/2023 09:59

CrunchyCarrot · 12/11/2023 13:08

Looks like another webcam going up here:

I've just seen some tremors on this one.

CrunchyCarrot · 13/11/2023 10:15

BarbaraofSeville · 13/11/2023 09:59

I've just seen some tremors on this one.

I'm never sure whether it's a tremor or the wind.

Puffinshop · 13/11/2023 11:43

With the schools - I think the kids are just off today because nothing's been sorted out yet. There was talk of establishing a temporary school somewhere in the capital area so that all the Grindavík children there could be together, and presumably the teachers. Most people have evacuated to somewhere in the capital area, unsurprisingly. And then for children in other area, they would just go to the nearest school and try to slot in there.

Either that or all the children will be sent temporarily to other schools, whichever is closest or has capacity. Either way it's going to be a big headache to get some solution up and running so it might take them a few more days.

Sports clubs everywhere have said that kids and professionals from Grindavík can come and join in their training sessions, so hopefully the children will be able to keep up their sports for a bit of normality.

Puffinshop · 13/11/2023 11:51

Þorvaldur was on the radio this morning and reports that the earthquakes are now occurring again at a depth of 4-5 km, which could mean that the magma will not find a way to the surface at this time.

More people from Grindavík will be allowed in today to fetch things and animals, everyone with a home east of Víkurbraut. They will be allowed in in small groups and a large queue of cars has formed of Grindvíkingurs waiting their turn. One person they interviewed had gone out with her family to Selfoss for the evening, expecting of course to come back later that night. They didn't take anything with them except what they were wearing, phones, money - and just haven't been able to go back since. So you can understand the keenness to get back!

Puffinshop · 13/11/2023 12:14

The chief of police in Suðurnes says that the plan is to allow all Grindavík residents the chance to return to their house if possible. So if everything continues to go well, the opportunity will be given to those living on the other side of town in due course.

The Volcano and Natural Hazard Group for South Iceland (I don't know if that's what they call themselves in English but that's basically the name - I think they are affiliated with the Met Office somehow) reports that tectonic divergence is most dramatic near Sundhnúkar and that seismic activity is now concentrated between Sundhnúkar and Grindavík at a depth of 2-5 km. Crustal deformation has slowed down, which is believed to be a sign that the magma flow into the tunnel is also slowing down. The likelihood of an eruption is considered unchanged.

[Caveat: I don't know whether I used all the correct technical terms, I'm just translating based on what it sounds like and what I think is likely using my limited knowledge of earth science. But you can probably understand what is meant. Icelandic is a very transparent language.]

Puffinshop · 13/11/2023 12:23

From the Met Office:

"Seismic activity in the area has been steady since 11 November. Around 900 earthquakes have been recorded since midnight 13 November. Seismic activity is distributed around the southern part of the magma tunnel between Sundhnúkar and Grindavík at a depth of around 2-5 km.

Crustal deformation continues to slow around Grindavík. Tectonic divergence is widest in the middle of the magma tunnel by Sundhnúkar where the main source of the magma is believed to be.

The Met Office believes that activity in and around Grindvík is almost unchanged since yesterday. We are closely monitoring all measurement systems in real time, especially around Grindavík, which could indicate a change in the situation.

The Met Office is concentrating particularly on the area in and around Grindavík and has special monitoring operations in place for the emergency response workers operating in this area."

That's a lot of the same material, some more details.

Puffinshop · 13/11/2023 12:23

I really should do some actual work Blush

Puffinshop · 13/11/2023 13:41

One more for lunchtime. Vegagerðin went to check out Nesvegur, one of the roads out of town, and I suppose the technical term would be fucked.

https://www.visir.is/g/20232488524d/nesvegur-mikid-skemmdur-og-o-faer

Puffinshop · 13/11/2023 13:56

They're going to let all residents into Grindavík now to fetch stuff. Animal rescue volunteers will be allowed in as it starts to get dark. Seems the operations there are going very well and quicker than expected, so that's excellent news.

quivers · 13/11/2023 13:59

Those photos of the road @Puffinshop - I like the men standing about, peering vaguely at it and going: "Er... now what do we do?"!

They can hardly fill it in, can they?

OhYouBadBadKitten · 13/11/2023 13:59

That's good news Puffin.

Newgirls · 13/11/2023 14:59

Good job they put cones out!

lovely blue sky over there today

Puffinshop · 13/11/2023 15:11

It seems Þorvaldur may have got a bit overexcited last night. Here's Benedikt from the Met Office disagreeing with his assessment:
https://www.mbl.is/frettir/innlent/2023/11/13/hvad_er_sigdalur/

"A graben was discovered in Grindavík yesterday, running through the town. Þorvaldur Þórðarson, professor of volcanology at the University of Iceland, claimed that the graben was a clear sign of magma at a very shallow depth beneath the town. Benedikt Gunnar Ófeigsson, tectonics expert at the Met Office, says that this is not necessarily the case.

“This means that magma flowed down from the Sundhnúkar craters, under Grindavík and out under the sea. This causes tectonic divergence, in this case of about 1-3 metres. When something like this happens, a rift valley or graben is formed. What we are seeing is the rock breaking apart inside the rift valley and then the land sinks,” explains Benedikt.

“The best example of this is at Þingvellir, except there it is not a sign of magma movements, just of tectonic divergence,” says Benedikt.

Benedikt certainly isn’t ruling out the possibility that the magma is very close to the surface in the graben, but it doesn’t necessarily mean that.

“It doesn’t mean that the magma is very close to the surface, just that there has been significant tectonic divergence. That’s our interpretation and we have seen this many times in comparable events. We can’t rule out the possibility of magma reaching the surface, but the graben in itself doesn’t tell us anything about the magma depth. That would depend on other factors,” explains Benedikt.

Benedikt says that nevertheless, grabens like this can be very dangerous, particularly in this case since it was formed so quickly.

“When you have a graben that forms so incredibly quickly, large cracks can open up on the surface very fast. That can create a very particular kind of danger that has nothing to do with magma,” says Benedikt.

Emergency response workers are aware of this risk and take it into account as they allow Grindavík residents to return to their homes to retrieve valuables.

“Of course the other risk is there as well, the possibility of an eruption. We are monitoring the area and are in direct contact with emergency response workers,” says Benedikt.

Please if anyone sees any coverage of this sigdalur in English or is an earth scientist and knows what the proper English word is, post it here. I have never heard of a graben before and I don't know if I'm using it right :/

The word sigdalur literally means sink valley, but I'm sure that isn't the proper term.

Hvað er sigdalur?

Sigdalur uppgötvaðist í Grindavíkurbæ í gær og liggur hann í gegnum bæinn. Þorvaldur Þórðarson, prófessor í eldfjallafræði við Háskóla Íslands, segir dalinn skýrt merki um að kvika sé komin á mjög grunnt dýpi undir bæinn. Benedikt Gunnar Ófeigsson, sér...

https://www.mbl.is/frettir/innlent/2023/11/13/hvad_er_sigdalur

JemimaTab · 13/11/2023 15:13

Fingers crossed this means the remaining animals can be located rescued too. RÚV posted this yesterday evening, listing the animals left behind. It says: 58 cats, 2 rabbits, 2 hamsters, 49 horses, 50 hens, 13 parrots, 130 pigeons, 204 sheep and 15,000 chicks.

Iceland - possible eruption due near the Blue Lagoon
JemimaTab · 13/11/2023 15:26

(that should say “located and rescued”)

notimagain · 13/11/2023 15:27

@Puffinshop

I have never heard of a graben before and I don't know if I'm using it right

FWIW have seen the word used in discussions on Lunar Geology (IYSWIM), for example in the context of arguments about the reason for some grooving on the lunar surface...to quote one book: "downfaulted blocks of the crust"....

Hopefully somebody who actually knows will be along in a minute.

For info:https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/images/pia23237-graben-on-the-moon

countrygirl99 · 13/11/2023 15:33

Just googled graven and it says it's a peoce ilof the earth's crust that has shifted downwards. If it shifts up it's a horst. You learn something new everyday

JemimaTab · 13/11/2023 16:00

A couple more photos from RÚV of that huge tear in the road at Grindavík:

Iceland - possible eruption due near the Blue Lagoon
Iceland - possible eruption due near the Blue Lagoon
Newgirls · 13/11/2023 16:06

Parrots?

JemimaTab · 13/11/2023 16:10

Newgirls · 13/11/2023 16:06

Parrots?

Apparently.

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