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ladeluge · 12/11/2023 14:29

I'm hoping that it all calms down and nothing further happens. For now.

If it does settle down, the concern is I suppose that it will happen again someday soon, just when people think it is safe to return.

I wonder if this area will ever be safe to live in again. Probably will, people have homes and livelihoods there. But then again, the whole of Iceland is probably vulnerable to such events.

RedToothBrush · 12/11/2023 14:35

That facebook page also has a map of earthquakes since midnight (posted this morning). The line on the map above looks very similar to this map.

Iceland - possible eruption due near the Blue Lagoon
CrunchyCarrot · 12/11/2023 15:14

Nice work @RedToothBrush !

Short video on the rescue of some animals, just a restricted part of the town.

Also the evacuation appears to be for at least two weeks, so understandably pets/animals being unattended are more of a concern.

Puffinshop · 12/11/2023 17:27

I wonder if this area will ever be safe to live in again. Probably will, people have homes and livelihoods there. But then again, the whole of Iceland is probably vulnerable to such events.

From what they've been saying, I don't think it will be a good place to live for the next century or two. It's pretty clear that a new age of volcanic activity is happening on Reykjanes after about 600 years of quiet.

Some areas are pretty much fine but Reykjanes is a particularly volcanic area and it's woken up.

I wouldn't be surprised if the airport has to be moved at some point in the next few decades.

The crack in town was preexisting but has opened up considerably with the earthquakes. It does look very alarming!

Puffinshop · 12/11/2023 17:38

They found two people who missed the evacuation, managed to sleep through it! One resident and one hotel guest. My goodness, that must have been frightening to wake up to an empty town!

They got out yesterday morning. Of course SAR and the police went round to make sure everyone was out, checking every single house, but they weren't breaking down doors or anything so it's possible for people to be left if they are incredibly deep sleepers. But what a fright. Good they are safe now.

quivers · 12/11/2023 18:27

Glad the two missing persons are found. Imagine waking up in your hotel room, going down to breakfast and finding... no breakfast, no people, nothing. The whole town deserted. It's like the opening pages of a novel.

Puffinshop · 12/11/2023 18:40

In national political news, the government has proposed a new temporary tax to pay for defense of vital infrastructure on Reykjanes. It's a tax that depends on the value of your property, so wouldn't apply to non-homeowners.

There are concerns that it wouldn't be temporary and that the revenue wouldn't be fully used for its intended purpose. A temporary increase in VAT to pay for rebuilding after the 1973 eruption in Heimaey became permanent. An avalanche defense tax in place between 2009 and 2019 raised 22.5 billion isk of which only 9.8 billion was spent on avalanche defense. So it seems like this will be politically controversial.

I was speaking to my SIL who is an engineer and she says the idea of defensive walls to redirect lava is feasible, so I trust her opinion. But part of me still suspects it would be fighting a losing battle because you'd never know where/how the next event would be. On the other hand the airport and the power plant are incredibly important and if they can reasonably be defended I suppose it might be worth it.

stealtheatingtunnocks · 12/11/2023 18:46

Thank you for this thread. It’s fascinating in a gruesome way.

BarbaraofSeville · 12/11/2023 19:18

I know. I'm in emergency planning for another hazard and it sounds like they're well prepared and practiced and most Icelanders won't be at all surprised if they're told to evacuate if there's a nearby threat of eruption.

They'd have identified temporary accommodation etc in advance and have considered the situation where the evacuated people had to be away from their homes for weeks, months, or possibly never have been able to return, like happened after Chernobyl, Fukushima and Plymouth in Monserrat.

RedToothBrush · 12/11/2023 19:25

Puffinshop · 12/11/2023 18:40

In national political news, the government has proposed a new temporary tax to pay for defense of vital infrastructure on Reykjanes. It's a tax that depends on the value of your property, so wouldn't apply to non-homeowners.

There are concerns that it wouldn't be temporary and that the revenue wouldn't be fully used for its intended purpose. A temporary increase in VAT to pay for rebuilding after the 1973 eruption in Heimaey became permanent. An avalanche defense tax in place between 2009 and 2019 raised 22.5 billion isk of which only 9.8 billion was spent on avalanche defense. So it seems like this will be politically controversial.

I was speaking to my SIL who is an engineer and she says the idea of defensive walls to redirect lava is feasible, so I trust her opinion. But part of me still suspects it would be fighting a losing battle because you'd never know where/how the next event would be. On the other hand the airport and the power plant are incredibly important and if they can reasonably be defended I suppose it might be worth it.

Edited

They have done some degree of 'volcano defence' before. I believe they did for the 1973 eruption next to Heimaey.

An operation was mounted to cool the advancing lava flow by pumping sea water onto it, which was successful in preventing the loss of the harbour.

I know there was talk of doing something along these lines to save the road when the first eruption of this series started. I think there was talk of trying to contain it in a valley. There was debate over whether it would work but I know it was seriously considered. Fortunately it never came to that as the eruption ended.

But yeah if anyone can do it... It'll be in Iceland.

Heimaey - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heimaey

Puffinshop · 12/11/2023 19:33

BarbaraofSeville · 12/11/2023 19:18

I know. I'm in emergency planning for another hazard and it sounds like they're well prepared and practiced and most Icelanders won't be at all surprised if they're told to evacuate if there's a nearby threat of eruption.

They'd have identified temporary accommodation etc in advance and have considered the situation where the evacuated people had to be away from their homes for weeks, months, or possibly never have been able to return, like happened after Chernobyl, Fukushima and Plymouth in Monserrat.

No, it's really unusual. People were definitely surprised and this is not a routine situation. People are drawing lots of parallels with Heimaey in 1973 and there really isn't another example in living memory. People are used to earthquakes and eruptions and all kinds but the evacuation of a whole town is unexpected.

Though there have been evacuations for avalanche risk I think.

Puffinshop · 12/11/2023 19:36

I know I already said this on the thread but I really recommend reading about Heimaey 1973. It is incredible. And if you ever get the chance to visit the island, the museum is superb.

Zonder · 12/11/2023 19:56

It's great to get your insider perspectives on here @Puffinshop

Puffinshop · 12/11/2023 20:03

RedToothBrush · 12/11/2023 19:25

They have done some degree of 'volcano defence' before. I believe they did for the 1973 eruption next to Heimaey.

An operation was mounted to cool the advancing lava flow by pumping sea water onto it, which was successful in preventing the loss of the harbour.

I know there was talk of doing something along these lines to save the road when the first eruption of this series started. I think there was talk of trying to contain it in a valley. There was debate over whether it would work but I know it was seriously considered. Fortunately it never came to that as the eruption ended.

But yeah if anyone can do it... It'll be in Iceland.

What I remember is that they built some earthworks to try to redirect the lava and it was overcome in about 5 minutes... It was laughable.

A real defensive wall is going to have to be massive. SIL, who works for Vegagerðin and would be involved, said over 5 metres high. A daunting project Shock

DewDropsonKittens · 12/11/2023 21:15

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CrunchyCarrot · 12/11/2023 21:39

Puffinshop · 12/11/2023 20:03

What I remember is that they built some earthworks to try to redirect the lava and it was overcome in about 5 minutes... It was laughable.

A real defensive wall is going to have to be massive. SIL, who works for Vegagerðin and would be involved, said over 5 metres high. A daunting project Shock

Wow! And how could anyone be sure exactly where the lava might come up, so as to have the wall in the right place. At this point, it seems too late to do much.

Puffinshop · 12/11/2023 22:08

CrunchyCarrot · 12/11/2023 21:39

Wow! And how could anyone be sure exactly where the lava might come up, so as to have the wall in the right place. At this point, it seems too late to do much.

My thoughts exactly! But I defer to the experts.

RedToothBrush · 12/11/2023 22:26

Being reported they think magma may be as close to the surface as 10m. See attached.

The former president Olafur Ragnar Grimsson has just tweeted the following:
In the recent hours scientists have reported that the massive burning #lava is reaching the surface under the town of #Grindavik; indicating that the #volcano could erupt directly within the town. The darkest of all possible scenarios.

Iceland - possible eruption due near the Blue Lagoon
RedToothBrush · 12/11/2023 22:27

Tens of metres sorry. Not 10m

Puffinshop · 12/11/2023 22:28

I'm reading now an interview with Þorvaldur Þórðarson, volcanologist at the University of Iceland, on mbl. is. https://www.mbl.is/frettir/innlent/2023/11/12/hafa_uppgotvad_sigdal_i_grindavik/

The article says (my quick translation): "A one metre deep trough [technical term apparently graben] has formed going through Grindavík. So it's clear that the magma is at a very shallow depth under the town."

It is possible that an eruption will start within the town, in which case it would be in this trough.

"It goes through some buildings, through the school for one," says Þorvaldur.
"A graben is formed when the magma rises to a very shallow depth and is very close to the surface," he explained, though it is difficult to know exactly how close.

"Yesterday it was at 800 metres, so it's considerably closer now. It could be just 10s of metres." Scientists need to wait for thermal measurements from the area to properly assess the depth of the magma.

Þorvaldur says that the trough was discovered today through imaging and mapping of the area.

"People just didn't notice it before," he says, adding that scientists weren't looking at the area from a great enough distance to spot the trough.
If there is an eruption in town, the majority of the lava would flow to the west and into the sea. "But some lava would always flow in the other direction," says Þorvaldur.

It is very difficult to determine when the eruption might happen.

"It could be in a few minutes. Or it could stop and there won't be an eruption at all." Potentially, the magma might not have sufficient force to make it all the way to the surface. He says that the more time passes without an eruption, the less likely an eruption in town is.

It is therefore possible that the event will come to an end. Or that an eruption could occur further north, in the Sundhnúkagígjaröð [Sundhnúki crater line].
Recent events could occur again in the future.

"We have seen five magma intrusions in four years. I think this isn't over yet and could continue for maybe a decade or so. We could see an event like this repeated."

Hafa uppgötvað sigdal í Grindavík

„Það hefur myndast eins metra djúpur sigdalur í gegnum Grindavíkurbæ og gliðnunin hélt áfram í dag. Þannig það er alveg ljóst að kvika er komin á mjög grunnt dýpi undir bænum.“

https://www.mbl.is/frettir/innlent/2023/11/12/hafa_uppgotvad_sigdal_i_grindavik

stealtheatingtunnocks · 12/11/2023 22:34

I’m grateful for living on old land where our volcanoes are long since quiet.

CrunchyCarrot · 12/11/2023 23:05

Oh goodness people must be feeling sick about it all. I do hope and pray that somehow the eruption either doesn't happen or happens further away and doesn't impact it any more than has already happened.

KenAdams · 12/11/2023 23:23

RedToothBrush · 12/11/2023 22:26

Being reported they think magma may be as close to the surface as 10m. See attached.

The former president Olafur Ragnar Grimsson has just tweeted the following:
In the recent hours scientists have reported that the massive burning #lava is reaching the surface under the town of #Grindavik; indicating that the #volcano could erupt directly within the town. The darkest of all possible scenarios.

A sinkhole has formed and if it comes up through that it would be catastrophic for the town.

I can't stop thinking about the residents.

OP posts:
Puffinshop · 12/11/2023 23:25

Just for another perspective, here's another article from mbl.is with a different UI volcanologist, Ármann Höskuldsson, earlier this evening: https://www.mbl.is/frettir/innlent/2023/11/12/telur_gos_liklegra_i_eldvorpum/ I don't know if Ármann knew about the trough at the time of the interview - he and Þorvaldur are colleagues but it could be a very recent discovery or it could be that they simply disagree. We often see different perspectives from the different volcanology media stars!

Article:

"We have greater expectations of something happening in the Eldvarp fissure," says Ármann Höskuldsson, volcanologist at the UI Institute of Earth Science.

In recent days, an eruption in the Sundhnúkar crater line has been thought the most likely scenario, based on scientific measurements. Ármann, however, believes that the Eldvarp fissure is a more likely eruption site. It is not possible to rule out other possibilities, however.

Following significant seismic activity on Friday, it came to light that a 15 km long magma tunnel had formed under Grindavík, south west of the Sundhnúkar crater line. Scientists have been concerned that magma could reach the surface in that area.

Speaking to mbl.is that evening, Ármann said he expected an eruption to occur in the Eldvarp fissure or north west of Þorbjörn, rather than east of Grindavíkurvegur road by Sundhnúkar.

Ármann says he still thinks this scenario more likely and his opinion has not changed.

"But something happened on Friday, in the Sundhnúkar elevation, which was unexpected, because everyone was focusing on the Eldvarp fissure and the Illahraun craters," he says. The magma intrusion that formed on Friday opened up the possibility of an eruption above Grindavík.

Ármann says that an eruption could still occur in the Sundhnúkar craters. If something happens it could happen by Sýlingafell. In that case, people would have time to try to divert the lava before it flowed past Grindavík.

"If it's there in Sýlingafell, as it appears to be at the moment, that's maybe better news than we had on Friday, when the intrustion extended right under the town."

He says it came as a great surprise to him to see the magma intrustion reach so far south. Because there were very clear signs of uplift in the Eldvarp fissure and Illahraun craters, which were not seen to any great extent in the Sundhnúkar fissure.

"On the other hand, we have to consider that this is a plate boundary. The plates are moving apart because the tension has become too high. So in this sense, this is perhaps not a surprise.

In the Sundhnúkar fissure the magma accumulation has not been as significant as in other places.

"It's possible that this was the release of tectonic stress. Then naturally the magma has risen. But for some reason it can't make it to the surface."

Ármann says this would be good news. Divergence of the tectonic plates has, though, caused significant damage in Grindvík.

The cracks that have formed in Grindavík don't necessarily mean that magma is making its way to the surface.

"We saw this clearly at Krafla. There was a lot of activity but an eruption never occurred."

Ármann hopes that this movement is over. "Then the likelihood of an eruption would dwindle gradually," he says. It would then be more likely that activity would continue in the Eldvarp fissure, where there is more room for an eruption.

As to when an eruption might happen, Ármann says that it will probably occur within a few days. "It's a question of whether there's an eruption in the Sundhnúkar fissure, or whether the major movements there are over and things will continue in Eldvörp or Illahraun."

The situation will become clearer with more data collected over the next few days.

Telur gos líklegra í Eldvörpum

„Við reiknum frekar með að eitthvað gerist í Eldvarpasprungunni,“ segir Ármann Höskuldsson, eldfjallafræðingur við Jarðvísindastofnun Háskóla Íslands, í samtali við mbl.is.

https://www.mbl.is/frettir/innlent/2023/11/12/telur_gos_liklegra_i_eldvorpum

Puffinshop · 13/11/2023 00:05

Actually, if you look at the two interviews, they do agree on a lot of points, but place differing levels of emphasis on different possibilities. It's not surprising that people seize on the most sensational part and run with that.

I suppose sometimes it's worth taking a breath and remembering that the whole thing is extremely unpredictable and nothing can be said with certainty until it's already happened.